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Yeah, they said on CNN that the effect of this message is totally unknown, but in internal circles the majority agrees that it could harm Bush.

Another proof that ity may harm Bush is that he doesn't even mention it on his election tour, while Kerry does.


posted by knn
  

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help Bush



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because we all know that he tells the truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him god

Are you serious in that statement? Do you really believe your President tells you everything? I somehow tend to believe Bin Laden that there things still that most don't know.
Ok, on the other hand, by saying so he created a very nice atmosphere of distrust to the President nobody trusts any way, and now no one can prove anything, especially Bush, because now whatever he says everybody will be slightly doubtful to say the least.
But the long experiense of my country for example shows that goverment only lets you know the truth it finds suitable for you. You might say that it was a Soviet country and it makes all the difference, but I'd say the difference is not that big.

I really hope Kerry wins. Somehow thinking about Bush for the second term makes me terrified.
As far as this bin Laden's appearance is concerned, I really hope that if he was serious than the US government will be able to prevent the attack, whoever it be, Bush or Kerry.

I don't know the situation in US now, but from my point of view this could actually help Bush. If that would happen during an election time in Russia, it would help probably because people would feel like changing presidet during such difficult times would harm the country.


posted by mymla
  



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I somehow tend to believe Bin Laden

that says everything i need to know about you


posted by the anomaly
  



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Another proof that ity may harm Bush is that he doesn't even mention it on his election tour, while Kerry does.

thought you said your beloved "experts" say that bin laden WANTS bush in the whitehouse...why would he release a video to damage his chances


posted by the anomaly
  

bUSh is the most secretive of 11 presidents



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But the long experiense of my country for example shows that goverment only lets you know the truth it finds suitable for you.

Especially Bush is one of the least "open" US presidents of all times:
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* The Bush Administration refuses to release twenty-seven pages of a Congressional report that reportedly detail the Saudi Arabian government's connections to the 9/11 hijackers.
• Last year the Bush Administration spent $6.5 billion creating 14 million new classified documents and securing old secrets--the highest level of spending in ten years.
• The Bush Administration spent $120 classifying documents for every $1 it spent declassifying documents.
• The Bush Administration has spent millions of dollars and defied numerous court orders to conceal from the public who participated in Vice President Cheney's 2001 energy task force.
• The Bush Administration--reversing years of bipartisan tradition--refuses to answer requests from Democratic members of Congress about how the White House is spending taxpayer money.

openthegovernment.org… [PDF]


Bush standardly refuses to tell ANYTHING. He even refused to set up a 9/11 commission, and when he was forced he refused to give evidence, and when the pressure was too high he refused to talk under oath and he even forbid the commission members to write anything down.

Worse than Nixon, an expert said: IMO → Senator Byrd served under 11 presidents: Bush is the worst


posted by knn

your president



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Quote:I somehow tend to believe Bin Laden


that says everything i need to know about you

Yes, oh yes.. keep going
Fine than, you make opinions pretty easily.

I only meant that when chosing between what the two say, I tend to trust Mr Bush less (especially on matters of wars and terrorism). I wish I could believe that everything that the President of the almighty USA says is straight and undisputable truth, but sorry, he has destroyed my faith in him.

And sorry I cannot believe that after all that was found out about him and his lies you still believe him 100 %. I'd've protected (most probably) my president in his actions at this forum if he were attacked even though I wouldn't have necessarily approved. Just for the sake of opposing the majority White laugh
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"experts" say that bin laden WANTS bush in the whitehouse...why would he release a video to damage his chances

He does not always do what is expected of him, does he? Besides, only time will show how exactly the video influenced the situation.
As far as I know, it says that USA will be attacked whoever will be chosen the President, so basically bin Laden doesn't care that much about the elections, though it might be that Mr Bush's second term will make his task easier.

Whoever wins, the whole country will face more resctrictions, more military, more fear and more cases when people are not told the truth. Bin Laden will make sure of that.


posted by mymla
  

Polarization



mymla:
As far as I know, it says that USA will be attacked whoever will be chosen the President, so basically bin Laden doesn't care that much about the elections, though it might be that Mr Bush's second term will make his task easier.

They say, that Bush makes recruiting easier for Bin Ladin, since Bush is an open Christian and thus polarizes "better"


posted by knn
  

just so everyone knows



excerpts of the video released
Oh American people, my talk to you is about the best way to avoid another Manhattan, about the war, its causes, and results.
Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have proud souls, like the souls of the 19 people [killed while perpetrating the 11 September 2001 attacks], may God have mercy on them.

We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice. We want to restore freedom to our nation. Just as you waste our security, we will waste your security.

'Striking the towers'

I am amazed at you. Although almost four years have passed since the [11 September] incidents, Bush is still practising distortion and confusion.

He also continues to conceal from you the real reason [for the 11 September attacks]. Thus, the motives still exist for repeating what happened.

I will speak to you about the reasons behind these incidents. I will honestly tell you about the minutes in which the decision was made so that you will consider. I say to you that God knows that the idea of striking the towers never occurred to us.

Your security is in your own hands


But, after things had gone too far and we saw the injustice of the US-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I started thinking of that.

The events that influenced me directly trace back to 1982 and subsequent events when the United States gave permission to the Israelis to invade Lebanon, with the aid of the sixth US fleet.


At those difficult moments, many meanings that are hard to describe went on in my mind. However, these meanings produced an overwhelming feeling to reject injustice and generated a strong determination to punish the unjust ones.

While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women...

We did not find it difficult to deal with Bush and his administration, because it is similar to regimes in our countries, half of which are governed by the military and the other half of which are governed by the sons of kings and presidents; and we have a long experience with them.

In both categories, you find many who are characterised by hubris, arrogance, greed, and unlawful acquisition of money. This similarity transpired since Bush Senior's visit to the region.

'Election rigging'

While some of our people were dazzled by the United States and hoped that these visits would affect our countries, he, instead, was affected by these royal and military regimes, envying them for remaining in their posts for scores of years, embezzling public money without being held accountable or monitored.

Accordingly, he transferred dictatorship and the repression of freedoms to his son by introducing the Patriot Act under the pretext of fighting terrorism.

Bush Senior deemed it appropriate to assign his sons to states. He also did not forget to convey the [election] rigging experience from the leaders of the [Arab] region to Florida to benefit from it at critical times...

We had agreed with the chief amir [leader - of the 11 September hijackers] Mohammed Atta that he should accomplish all the operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration could take notice.

It never occurred to us that the supreme commander of the US armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face those great horrors alone, at a time when they needed him badly.

This is because it seemed to him that being preoccupied with the little child's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than being preoccupied with the planes and their ramming into the skyscrapers.

This gave with three times the period required for carrying out the operations, praise be to God.

Your security does not lie in the hands of Kerry, Bush, or al-Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Each and every state that does not tamper with our security will have automatically assured its own security.


seems osama thinks kerry is the better choice for him to stay alive, makes my voting for bush come into perspective


posted by The ONEder Man
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Slaves of USAma



The ONEder Man:
seems osama thinks kerry is the better choice for him to stay alive, makes my voting for bush come into perspective

1) I cannot see any favouring
2) Aaah, so you actually are influenced by a mad man?
3) Imagine this: Bush is said to be the best Al-Qaeda recruiter of the world (because he polarizes the world, increases hatred against the US and increases terrorism). All Usama needs to do is to say "Bush sucks", so you vote for Bush again. And voila, Usama has what he wants: Bush re-elected.


posted by knn
  



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2) Aaah, so you actually are influenced by a mad man?

nope, i'm influenced by which canidate i believe will go after the madman more fervently
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Bush is said to be the best Al-Qaeda recruiter of the world

let's just let al-qaeda thrive and maybe they won't harm anyone else, right? Not again


posted by The ONEder Man
  

Mad man



The ONEder Man:
excerpts of the video released

I wonder what Usama says in the other minutes, that they didn't show yet.

Maybe they want to release it even closer to the election?


posted by knn
  

Re: Mad man



knn:
The ONEder Man:
excerpts of the video released

I wonder what Usama says in the other minutes, that they didn't show yet.

Maybe they want to release it even closer to the election?

ya i wonder as well, but from what I heard al jezeer or whatever only released what was deemed "news worthy"


posted by The ONEder Man
  

Is that it?



Is the section above, the entirety of it released so far?

It's just that much of the news about it's contents don't seem to match it's contents. I learned something new, I guess

It could be that people prefer to interpret what is being said rather than simply listen to what is being said. Shocked

I'll admit, it's hard to get past the preconception that this man is Evil and the U.S. is the victim here, it's natural to assume therefore that tape is full of lies and propoganda.

But since 911, U.S. citizens* have been asking "Why?", and now it seems they have their answer - from the very person most suited to providing it - only it's not the answer that they wanted and so they put their hands over their ears and hum "la, la, la, la," then load another cartridge into the breach.


*Obviously I'm talking about the General populus here and not the more intelligent (on the whole) and more reasonable (on the whole) IMO members White laugh


posted by Marl64
  

Opinion vs. Fact



Marl64:
It's just that much of the news about it's contents don't seem to match it's contents.

Why? Examples?


posted by knn
  

we're suppose to trust osama?



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But since 911, U.S. citizens* have been asking "Why?", and now it seems they have their answer - from the very person most suited to providing it - only it's not the answer that they wanted and so they put their hands over their ears and hum "la, la, la, la," then load another cartridge into the breach.

if you ask me to understand why osama killed innocent people, that's pretty hard to swallow, maybe just maybe if he targeted just military targets since they were the one who he says did the unjustice in lebenon i might see how that could be retaliation, but killing those who were just traveling in route to jobs families? that's tough

and if this is all over israel's existance...why not attack israel? maybe i'm not a mastermind but that would be the most understandable course of action...


posted by The ONEder Man
  



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