»Do you like George W. Bush?«
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 knn: I don't ask you do believe this, but this, too (= his wife is a killer) is a valid reason to dislike Bush. Moreover, hey, it's the FIRST LADY. The wifes of presidents HAVE influence on voters. Moreover, it's his WIFE. So it's legitimate to dislike him if you dislike her. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqDo you like George W. Bush? |
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knn: So it's legitimate to dislike him if you dislike her. Moreover if I said "I like George W. Bush. And I like him even more, because he has a great wife, who stood by him in his darkest hours" then I am sure you would accept that. posted by knn |
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 yes i do and not really, you can dislike the wife and like the man himself...why couldnt you? posted by Agent Zero |
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 Agent Zero: you can dislike the wife and like the man himself Yes, it's possible. But whatever you do, it's valid for humans to dislike other humans because they associate with doubtful humans. posted by knn |
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ok i think i get what your saying. but why hold such petty grudges against someone? Life is too short to hate someone. Be excited for them. Everyone is entilted to an opinion yes. But why hate someone so much? it gives you cancer. Hate will bring you down. posted by Agent Zero |
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Agent Zero: Life is too short to hate someone. Be excited for them. Even Hitler? Agent Zero: Everyone is entilted to an opinion yes. But why hate someone so much? it gives you cancer. Hate will bring you down. Since you mention it: Jesus was pure love, right? What a wonderful peaceful death he had... posted by knn |
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 stinkz: knn: these accusation are AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET to prove that it's VERY valid to dislike the president. I realize that. And it is sad. I've never disliked a person because their wife accidentally killed someone. I've never hated a person who admitted to a drug addiction habit, and recovered, instead of hiding or flaunting it. I've never hated a person because he was a Christian or because he associates with one. I've never hated a person for having a speech impediment. And, most of all, I've never hated a person for doing the right thing, despite public opinion. No you'd rather hate someone for being gay. Of course you've never hated anyone for being Christian. You are one of the most ridiculously fundamentalist people in existence. But don't kid yourself that Bush did what he did because it was 'the right thing'. He did it because he had a personal vendetta against Saddam and he wanted a repeat of the patriotic support that was produced by the war in Afghanistan. If he was attacking Saddam for real reasons why didn't he say: "Saddam is an evil dictator and it's about time he was taken out of power." instead of all this BS about terrorism and WMDs... The right thing my arse... posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: No you'd rather hate someone for being gay. Ok, John Kerry. Way to flip-flop your own opinion when it suits your fancy. I believe it was you who was earlier defending the position of "love the sinner, hate the sin" on my behalf. fatpie42: Of course you've never hated anyone for being Christian. You are one of the most ridiculously fundamentalist people in existence. Does this make hating Christians right? If not, then whats the point of this comment, except to personally attack me? fatpie42: But don't kid yourself that Bush did what he did because it was 'the right thing'. He did it because he had a personal vendetta against Saddam and he wanted a repeat of the patriotic support that was produced by the war in Afghanistan. You can go on all day long about what you think his "intentions" were. My point still stands: He DID the right thing, and it was despite public opinion. posted by stinkz |
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A flip-flop is a type of sandal. I have not done anything with sandals. Please speak in English. The 'love the sinner, hate the sin' was a view I expected YOU to take. You didn't, so I can criticise you for hating gays as much as I like. You appear to be the perfect example of a homophobic. I was merely saying that your comment "I have never hated anyone for being Christian" was ridiculous since you do the opposite. You hate anyone who ISN'T Christian. I don't judge people on their religious views. I judge them on their actions. It just so happens that some of the most horrible people I know are Christians and often the most horrible actions they do seem to be motivated by their religious beliefs. Your point does not still stand because it is blatantly BS. The only problem is that you couldn't accept that you were wrong if the evidence slapped you in the face. posted by fatpie42 |
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Fatpie, do you see no problem with the fact that you must resort to cutting me down, and slamming my religion, in order to "argue" with me? Replying to such unintelligent slander is getting tiring. If your views are just as reasonable as mine, but just "different," as you have claimed that they are, please point to one logical point you made in your last post. Let's recap: fatpie42: Please speak in English. Everyone understood what I said. I'm sure you did too. And, if my eyes didn't decieve me, I believe it was YOU who, in another thread, refused to believe that the word "Islamistic," which occurs in the English dictionary, actually exists. fatpie42: You appear to be the perfect example of a homophobic. Name calling is unnecessary, and is hardly considered a form of rational argument. fatpie42: You hate anyone who ISN'T Christian. By hate, do you mean that I single them out, call them names, pick on their religion, tell them what they believe, and blindly contradict everything they say? That seems to be what someone has done quite recently. fatpie42: It just so happens that some of the most horrible people I know are Christians and often the most horrible actions they do seem to be motivated by their religious beliefs. I don't know how "horrible" your Christian friends are, but I do wonder what they think of you. fatpie42: Your point does not still stand because it is blatantly BS. Good argument here. Point well taken. fatpie42: The only problem is that you couldn't accept that you were wrong if the evidence slapped you in the face. Please PRESENT evidence, rather than telling me what I would do with it. Knn, I would recommend that you delete these last two posts, as they are offtopic. Or, at least put them into a "petty banter" thread. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: fatpie42: You hate anyone who ISN'T Christian. By hate, do you mean that I single them out, call them names, pick on their religion, tell them what they believe, and blindly contradict everything they say? That seems to be what someone has done quite recently. Yes. YOU've been doing it. You've been singling me out and picking on me because of my atheism. All I did was criticise your personal views. I said nothing against Christianity. I just dislike the view that someone is instantly wonderful and rational because they are Christian. Christianity doesn't say this so why should you? Just because George Bush is Christian, doesn't instantly make him a saint, Stinkz. posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: Just because George Bush is Christian, doesn't instantly make him a saint, Stinkz. It's even worse: Just because he says he is a Christian doesn't make it so. He has a history of lies and drugs. And his sign is a bit too satanic to be a bona fida Christian... As I point out IMO → What to say to someone who insists to pray#28485 it's at the very core of each Christian to believe something DESPITE of proof otherwise (believing is stronger than seeing). Thus whatever Bush SAYS is more believable than what he does. Stinkz BELIEVES Bush is good because Bush SAYS he does good things. Which reminds me of the typical voters of Bush: Clueless refusers of facts: IMO → New poll proves that Bush supporters have little clue [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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fatpie42: Just because George Bush is Christian, doesn't instantly make him a saint, Stinkz. Boy, you sure do love to shadow-box. knn: it's at the very core of each Christian to believe something DESPITE of proof otherwise Thank you for attempting to tell me what is at the "core" of me. A more truthful statement would be "it is at the very core of each Atheist to believe that Christians believe blindly." It makes you feel better, doesn't it, putting down Christianity? Do you now feel more comfortable with your own rejection of God? posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: Boy, you sure do love to shadow-box. What the hell does that mean? Does it mean you are going to stop taking the piss out of my religious views, for example by taking ignorant pot-shots at Nietzsche like you did in the other thread? knn: it's at the very core of each Christian to believe something DESPITE of proof otherwise Thank you for attempting to tell me what is at the "core" of me. A more truthful statement would be "it is at the very core of each Atheist to believe that Christians believe blindly." It makes you feel better, doesn't it, putting down Christianity? Do you now feel more comfortable with your own rejection of God?[/quote] I don't know about knn, but I feel very comfortable rejecting God. More comfortable than I've ever felt trying to accept him. It's like I've stopped trying to jam a square peg in a round hole. But no, I disagree with Knn on this one to a certain extent. I do not see my atheism as any more 'rational' than any other religion. An religion must be taken on faith and my faith is stronger as an atheist than it ever was as a Christian because I can trust in my beliefs more than I did before. However, what knn is focussing on is the way Christians are very unwilling to question their beliefs. Often your views Stinkz do FEEL to be forced when it comes to religion. On the one hand there seems to be a need from you to justify your beliefs rationally. Yet, on the other hand there seems to be a need to dismiss the need for rational belief in favour of God's almighty authority. Though you struggle not to use the latter option, there is a feeling that for you the latter justifies the first, wheras for myself the first overules and even undermines the latter. While Knn worries about Bush using this way of thinking where the Bible is more important than rational thought, my worries are different. My worry is that Bush considers himself to be a champion for justice and freedom throughout the world and yet his 'method' of championing is to wage bloody war. As Bush celebrates his championing of freedom and justice in Afghanistan and Iraq he ignores the fact that the two countries are in complete turmoil in that aftermath of a full-scale war. It seems almost as if the point of the war for Bush was to 'subjugate' Islamic states as opposed to liberating them. posted by fatpie42 |
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stinkz: Do you now feel more comfortable with your own rejection of God? I rejected god? Where did I do that? posted by knn |
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