»Religion vs Logic?«
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 So religion and logic are mutually exclusive? That would explain a lot...  . posted by Tiefling |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsReligion vs Logic? |
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 Quote: So religion and logic are mutually exclusive? Religion is neither logical nor illogical. posted by knn |
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 knn: Religion is neither logical nor illogical. therefore religion is nothing?  
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Quote: therefore religion is nothing Therefore religion is something else. Is art logical or illogical? posted by knn |
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Only someone who has never taken an art history class would claim that art is illogical. posted by Tiefling |
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Art is neither logical nor illogical. Not everything must obide laws of math. Maybe the only logical art are fractal images. And people until now argue whether it's art or not. posted by knn |
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Art is quite logical. And the fact that it is logical does not mean that it obeys the laws of math. Math is logical, art is logical. That does not mean that art is math. Regardless, religion must be logical. Religion tells you how to behave and in what to believe. If religion is not logical, then people are being told to behave in ways that are not logical, and being told to believe in things that are not logical. And that's a good reason to use logic, rather than religion, to dictate your behavior and beliefs. posted by Tiefling |
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Quote: Art is quite logical What you conceive as beautiful or not, is neither logic nor illogic. Whether you pray to god or pray to his opponent is also neither logical nor illogical. Is it logical or illogical to not shave your beard? Neither. posted by knn |
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Maybe a better argument why religion is neither logic nor illogic is by looking at god's (or higher being's) powers. Their interventions are called wonders. Why? Because they defy logic. Yet they are kind of explainable "Gods did it". So is this logic or not? posted by knn |
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You need to [snip] the comment that started this offshoot thread, too: knn: Since when do religious explanation make sense? If "making sense" is the premise, logic will always win, and never eyes or heart. posted by Tiefling |
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knn: What you conceive as beautiful or not, is neither logic nor illogic.
Whether you pray to god or pray to his opponent is also neither logical nor illogical. Is it logical or illogical to not shave your beard? Neither. What you're saying is that a person's preferences are neither logical nor illogical. I would disagree. I think a person's preferences are based upon their experiences, and thus are very logical, though they may seem illogical from someone else's point of view, or even from the conscious point of view of the individual. But regardless, let's assume that preferences are illogical. Religion is not simply a matter of preference. Or, IMO, it shouldn't be. If religion is just a preference, how can anyone ever argue that their religion is right? And religion is quite clearly about right and wrong. If I can't justify my belief in my religion any more than I can justify my decision to shave my beard, then I really can't claim that what I'm doing is right. And that defeats the purpose of religion. posted by Tiefling |
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 Tiefling: If religion is just a preference, how can anyone ever argue that their religion is right? You can't argue. Is Satanism right? Or Gnostic Christianity? Tiefling: I think a person's preferences are based upon their experiences, and thus are very logical You assume that 2 persons with identical experiences would chose the same religion. There is no proof for that nor a counter-proof. Thus as far as we know that choice is neither logical nor illogical. Is it logical to choose strawberry icecream vs. cherry icecream? Nope. Even if 2 persons had the exact same experiences one might choose strawberry while the other chooses cherry. posted by knn |
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knn: You assume that 2 persons with identical experiences would chose the same religion. There is no proof for that nor a counter-proof. I know. It's a moot point. That's why I said, Tiefling: But regardless, let's assume that preferences are illogical. We'll need another thread to discuss if preferences are logical.  knn: You can't argue. Is Satanism right? Or Gnostic Christianity? Just because nobody knows which one is right does not mean that either is any more right or wrong. If a mathematician approaches a child and asks the child, "What do you get if you multiply 6 by 9?" and presents the child with two answers --- 42 and 54, the child will clearly not know which answer is correct. But that doesn't mean that neither answer is correct. Nor, of course, does it mean either answer is correct. So what should said child do? Should he assume that because he doesn't know which answer is right that therefore neither can ever be proven to be correct? I claim that the child should learn how to multiply, and then evaluate 6 times 9 for himself, and see if either answer that the mathematician presented is correct. But it seems that the standard solution people choose is to hop on one answer or the other, assuming that those are the only possible options, and to then criticize the other option as being completely inconceivable. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: If a mathematician approaches a child Please leave mathematics out. Math is logical. Did you know that negative numbers don't exist in the physical universe? Yet they are logical. Are sexual preferences logical? Are religious preferences logical? Please note, that the assumption that the apple falls donw to the ground is LOGICAL, but it is only logical because of this universe. If the universe was different then something else could be logical. Thus absolute truth is higher than logic and physics. posted by knn |
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Quote: negative numbers don't exist in the physical universe Budget deficit. A real life -ve number? Quote: absolute truth is higher than logic and physics Mostly Agree. But curiously, does the word 'higher' imply hierarchy? And hierarchy is a logical construct. Suspect truth is sum total of all positions. Logical, illogical and more... Truth = Σ x ? (Nah.. too mathematical) posted by blueSky |
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