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fatpie42: What the hell does that mean? Sound it out: Shadow, Box. You are fighting a shadow when you argue things that no one said. fatpie42: I don't know about knn, but I feel very comfortable rejecting God. Is that what we should be looking for in life: comfort? I don't know about you, but I'm going to look for truth. Searching and believing something for the sake of comfort will never comfort anyone in the long run. The only time you can recieve any comfort from a belief is when you know it to be true. fatpie42: I do not see my atheism as any more 'rational' than any other religion. Then neither I nor anyone else here has any reason for considering your point of view. fatpie42: An religion must be taken on faith and my faith is stronger as an atheist than it ever was as a Christian because I can trust in my beliefs more than I did before. You just said that you don't see atheism as any more rational than Christianity. If that is so, then what you call faith, here, is merely blind belief. fatpie42: Yet, on the other hand there seems to be a need to dismiss the need for rational belief in favour of God's almighty authority. I have a very rational belief in God. The Reason given to me by this perfect being has led me into continued belief in Him. posted by stinkz |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqDo you like George W. Bush? |
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...I just couldn't resist. stinkz: Is that what we should be looking for in life: comfort? I don't know about you, but I'm going to look for truth. Searching and believing something for the sake of comfort will never comfort anyone in the long run. The only time you can recieve any comfort from a belief is when you know it to be true. Now this is rich coming from you. You claim to look for truth in life and yet you think you have already found it by believing blindly. Don't say you don't because you do. I've read endless posts by you and I'm still waiting to read ONE where you have posted anything rational to support your beliefs. Also, I'm sick of the way you twist everyone's statements. Fatpie never stated that he rejects God because it's comfortable. You only wish he did. posted by Echelon |
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I just wanted to throw in 2 more reasons why you could LIKE Bush:
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Im sick of people useing those pictures...THAT HAND SIGNAL MEANS TEXAS LONGHORNS...now people can also like bush because he stands up for what he beleives most politicians fall back and don't say anything posted by Agent Zero |
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Is there still a poll that is "What do you hate about Bush?" ...because I can't seem to find it... Well, since I can't find it, I'll just write it here.. I'm a subscriber to a magazine called The American Prospect: Liberal Intelligence (I know people are going "What? Isn't she a Christian?") and it had this great article on the ridiculousness of "The God Squad." prospect.org… [WW] Here is the continuance of the article of the above link (I'm a subscriber, so I have the version of the entire article) It is true that many justices have responded in unanticipated ways to issues that surfaced after they ascended to the high court. Warren’s leadership in producing the unanimous 1954 school-desegregation decision (Brown v. Board of Education) and Blackmun’s 1973 authorship of the majority opinion legalizing abortion (Roe v. Wade) are prime examples. But if a judge interprets law as a manifestation of divine will rather than human intent, he is not morally or intellectually free to “grow” in office. What if Warren had believed, as many fundamentalists did at the time, that segregation was biblically ordained by God, and that blacks were descended from the accursed “sons of Ham”?
Far-fetched? Not when you take a close look at the public statements of one of Bush’s favorite Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia -- a Reagan appointee touted by leaders of the Christian right as the ideal replacement for the ailing 80-year-old Chief Justice William Rehnquist -- or when you scrutinize the religious convictions of the president’s recent nominees for federal district and appellate judgeships. In an extraordinary speech delivered at the University of Chicago Divinity School in 2002, Scalia mounted a pro–death-penalty argument based largely on his belief that all lawful governments derive their power from God -- and because God has the power of life and death, so too must government. “Few doubted the morality of the death penalty in the age that believed in the divine right of kings,” the justice intoned, as if that were relevant to a republic whose Founders deliberately omitted any mention of God from the Constitution and instead ceded civic authority to “We the People.” Scalia then turned to the favorite text of conservative politicians and theologians, Paul’s Epistle to the Romans: “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers … . Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” What made this speech extraordinary was not Scalia’s constitutional case for capital punishment but his open reliance on faith as the underpinning of his legal philosophy. I consulted five prominent constitutional-law professors and none could recall any other speech in which a Supreme Court justice explicitly used religion as the rationale for a legal position. “If a judge is getting his legal directions from God and the Bible,” says Norman Dorsen, Stokes Professor of Law at New York University and past president of the American Civil Liberties Union, “constitutional and legal arguments are then transformed into religious arguments. And how do you argue with a judge’s concept of God?” Scalia stands for the kind of fundamentalist religion (in his case, fundamentalist Catholicism) that Bush and the Christian right represent among Protestants. Indeed, Scalia is more Catholic than Pope John Paul II, who opposes the death penalty because he believes that only God has dominion over life and death. Bush’s own appointees evince the same degree of religious extremism. James Leon Holmes, confirmed as a U.S. District Court judge by a spineless Senate last July, scoffed at church-state separation in a 2002 speech to the Society of Catholic Social Scientists. He asserted that “Christianity transcends the political order” and predicted that the “final reunion of Church and state will take place at the end of time, when Christ will claim definitive political power over all creation, inaugurating a new society based on the supernatural.” William Pryor, whom Bush appointed to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals during last February’s congressional recess in order to circumvent the Senate confirmation process, holds equally extreme views. (Pryor must be confirmed by the new Congress to keep his job permanently.) As Alabama’s attorney general, Pryor was distinguished by his unremitting support for Judge Roy Moore’s installation of a 2-ton Ten Commandments monument in the state courthouse. Pryor even used his state office to promote monument worship in other parts of the country. In a press release announcing the filing of an amicus curiae brief in an Indiana case, Pryor compared the removal of recently minted Ten Commandment displays from American public spaces to the Taliban’s destruction of thousand-year-old Buddhist statues. The injection of religious fanaticism into the judicial process has been confused and conflated with more traditional conservatism. Given Rehnquist’s battle with thyroid cancer, it seems likely that he will step down soon and provide the first opportunity for Bush to place his personal stamp on the high court. Many commentators have mistakenly suggested that because Rehnquist is an archconservative on the limits of federal power, his replacement by Scalia -- or anyone else who thinks in Scalia’s theocratic terms -- would make little difference to the court’s deliberations. But Rehnquist is a legal conservative, not a religious fundamentalist. Unlike Scalia and Clarence Thomas, Rehnquist does not trim his views on federalism whenever religion is involved. In a critical church-state-separation case decided last spring (Locke v. Davey), Rehnquist wrote the majority opinion upholding a Washington-state law that bars taxpayer-financed scholarships for the training of clergy. He observed that “from the founding of our country, there have been popular uprisings against procuring taxpayer funds to support church leaders, which was one of the hallmarks of ‘established’ religions.” The only two dissenters were Scalia and Thomas, whose general support for states’ rights was overridden by their eagerness to seize every opportunity to foster religious entanglement with government. Many more church-state issues will make their way to the high court during the next four years. Reproductive-rights groups are likely to challenge a federal budget amendment overriding state laws that require health-care institutions to provide abortion services as a condition of receiving public funds. Under the new rule -- muscled into an appropriations bill by conservative House Republicans giddy from the election results -- health-care providers are no longer obliged to provide a referral to another institution even when a woman explicitly asks about abortion. Another issue that may come before the Court is the constitutionality of taxpayer-financed, faith-based drug-rehabilitation and prison programs that engage in religious proselytizing. Lawyers for conservative Christian groups have already indicated that they will ask the Supreme Court to revisit issues raised in the Locke case. Both the Catholic Church and the Protestant right want to overturn old state laws barring tax support for religious schools, because those statutes pose a powerful obstacle in 37 states to voucher programs for parents who want tax breaks to send their children to church-sponsored schools. If Bush is able to replace three justices during his second term (a distinct actuarial possibility), the 7-to-2 Locke majority could dissolve into a 5-to-4 split in favor of turning the clock back not to the 1950s or the 1920s but to a time before there even was a United States of America. Yes, those were the good old days before our godless Constitution, when hardly anyone in the world thought there was anything wrong with the state subsidizing the word of God or with God’s (self-appointed) spokesmen lending a divine legitimacy to the actions of earthly rulers. Susan Jacoby is the author of Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism. Copyright © 2005 by The American Prospect, Inc. Preferred Citation: Susan Jacoby, "The God Squad", The American Prospect Online, Dec 20, 2004. This article may not be resold, reprinted, or redistributed for compensation of any kind without prior written permission from the author. Direct questions about permissions to permissions@prospect.org. Oh my holy moly. What ridiculousness is this? posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Agent Zero: Im sick of people useing those pictures...THAT HAND SIGNAL MEANS TEXAS LONGHORNS...now people can also like bush because he stands up for what he beleives most politicians fall back and don't say anything No actually that hand symbol is actually an old spiritual curse/defense. If you hold it up, it's a defense against evil spirits, if you hold it down and point at someone, you are cursing them. Plus, the gesture is mostly known/used in rock and roll and was made popular by the rocker Dio(who started using it and got it from his grandmother) as well as Gene Simmons from Kiss. posted by volonteshiva |
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Agent Zero: Im sick of people useing those pictures...THAT HAND SIGNAL MEANS TEXAS LONGHORNS... That's just the official version. What else do you expect? That he stands up and says "Look, my whole family is indebted to Satan"? Look, I once read that for Satan the greatest joy is NOT to harm people. Harming people he can every day. The greatest joy is to do something that is satanic AND highly visible for EVERYONE, yet noone would RECOGNIZE that it's from Satan. Similar to Plase also note that for EVERYTHING there can be an explanation:
I don't care what EXCUSES and ARGUMENTS they bring forward. As if there could be a single thing in politics that couldn't be explained. The question is what the EFFECTS are. Not the reasoning for actions. posted by knn |
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heated...well NA, your pape is liberal propaganda, now i know why you have been saying certain things lately, explains alot. posted by Agent Zero |
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Agent Zero: well NA, your pape is liberal propaganda, now i know why you have been saying certain things lately, explains alot. Ha! Why did I know I would get this reaction from you, Zero? ...(I feel other ones coming from stinkz and sangu) Just because I read that magazine doesn't mean I believe everything it says. I've highlighted all sorts of articles in that magazine that is simply BS and other things that are blatantly obvious that the statistics are presented in such a way so that it benefits the liberal's point of view. Believe me, I know how to think for myself. I just thought that article had several really good points. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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But I don't hate him. He wants to do good. He just doesn't is the problem. posted by Nianza |
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Nianza: He wants to do good. You mean good for him and his daddy? posted by hungarian kid |
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Nianza: He wants to do good. You mean like Hitler and Stalin? posted by knn |
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nocturnal_anonymous: I just thought that article had several really good points. sorry, but ur article is prettty darn long. i skimmed it. so, who's side are you on again? against or for the magazine or in the middle? you highlight the BS parts, yet you think it has several good points. are the bold sentences the good points, or the BS parts? just asking... posted by sangu |
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yea i mean, why like Bush? he invented AIDS! he hates the environment,cute furry animals, and people from Namibia! HAHAHA. Get real folks, the guy is ok. I voted for him because he wasnt a socialist or limousine liberal like Kerry, but i freely admit that Bush definitely has problems and has made mistakes. But seriously, people have this irrational hatred for him that is kind of getting old. posted by FrogTrain |
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FrogTrain: people have this irrational hatred for him that is kind of getting old. Well I think hating him for killing thousands of innocents is justifiable. Don't get me wrong, irrational hatred pisses me off, I hate people who hate Bush but only hate him cus everyone else does but know shite all. I hate him, but I hate alot of politicians, I hate Kerry aswell, I mean the guys one of the stupidest politicians in existence. He barely has any difference in opinion from Bush, in politics you need two different people to vote from, not two slightly different people. It just defies the point of a democracy. posted by hungarian kid |
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