»Nick Berg beheading fake?«
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 You decide... Arab linguists have said the man posing as the Jordanian Zaraqawi did not speak with a Jordanian dialect. Others have suggested the man reading the written statement may not have been a native speaker of Arabic. Zaraqawi was missing one leg and had been outfitted with an artificial leg that did not fit or function properly. He was unable to walk or stand normally with his ill-fitting limb. No man in the group showed evidence of such an infirmity. Numerous indigenous sources have said Zaraqawi was killed by a US helicopter attack months ago when he was unable to move quickly enough to escape the targeted house. While others managed to exit the house in time to survive, he died in the collapsed building. As any surgeon will testify, the alleged beheading was a fake. A beheading would result in a tremendous amount of spurting blood. There would have been blood everywhere had an actual beheading taken place. When the executioner holds up Berg's head immediately following what is represented as an actual decapitation of a living person, there is no significant blood flow from the neck or blood splatters showing anywhere on the executioner. Furthermore, the cut was simply too neat to have been done crudely and with such amazing speed by a man wielding a knife. Anybody who has ever carved a turkey knows there is something wrong with the supposed beheading. The suspended head looks more like Berg had been neatly beheaded by a guillotine. The orange jumpsuit was standard US military issue to men in custody. It is unlikely Berg would have continuing wearing a US custodial uniform if he had been released by the military as they claim. The fact he was still wearing the suit is both anomalous and suggestive. One is forced to speculate as to whether there was an immediate transfer of Berg from the US military to unknown persons, thusly preventing Berg from discarding his US prison garb. Several of the men in the film were fat by Iraqi standards. If they were Feyadeen or mujahadeen, they probably have been living underground since the first days of the occupation. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been shown on news stories as they have marched and demonstrated. One would be hard pressed to point out a single fat man among these thousands. Some men had what can only be described as pasty-white hands. Once again, one would be hard pressed to find Arab men with pasty-white hands. The lack of spurting blood suggests Berg was already dead at the time of the alleged decapitation. It is possible Berg's dead body was displayed with his head already partially or totally severed. In any case, he almost certainly was killed before the staged beheading. If so, it suggests the captors had no stomach for an actual beheading of a living person, and they opted to fulfill their assignment quietly and with the least amount of gore. The scream that is heard has been interpreted as a woman's scream by many viewers. Videotape cognoscenti have further said the scream was amateurishly added to the tape. The U.S. government translation of one statement made on the film is: "Does al Qaeda need any further excuses?" This is a falsification. The actual statement urged fellow insurgents to get off their hind ends and do something. One assumes the translator being used by the US military is a native speaker of Arabic, so this cannot be explained as an innocent flub. This suggests the US government wanted to inject an alleged al- Qaeda group into the murder of Nick Berg. Iraqis who have seen the videotape on Arabic news broadcasts are universally saying the men in the film are not Iraqis. Are they saying this partly because the speaker does not employ an Iraqi dialect? Where does their certainty come from? Firearms experts have stated the AK-47 carried by one man was a "Gilal." This actually is an Israeli-made weapon that improves on the famous AK- 47. Feyadeen and other insurgents almost universally use AK-47s. The man in the videotape who is purported to be Zarqawi is wearing a gold ring. This is absolutely proscribed by Islamic law. The US military has stated that Berg was never in US custody and that he had been in custody of the Iraqi police. The Iraqi police adamantly deny he was ever in their custody. On April 1, an e-mail from Beth A. Payne, the U.S. consular officer in Iraq, was sent to the family of Nick Berg. It stated that Ms. Payne had located Nick, and he was currently in custody of the US military. We have to conclude that either the email was bogus or the US military has been lying. The chair that Berg was seated in during the filming was a standard issue military chair of the exact same kind as seen in a color photo taken at the Abu Ghraib Prison. The chances a terrorist cell would be using this same chair are minimal at best." posted by Crossfade |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqNick Berg beheading fake? |
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 I refuse to discuss whether it's a fake or not because the quality is unbelievably bad. posted by knn |
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 Never beleive anything you see or hear on the news. Especially if it is to do with war. posted by Yaldabaoth |
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 Yaldabaoth: Never beleive anything you see or hear on the news. Especially if it is to do with war. "Everything you hear on the news is fake" I heard that on a news program and have been trapped in a paradox ever since 
posted by Marl64 |
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Quote: trapped in a paradox It's not "a paradox". It's simply "not true". Quote: Everything you hear on the news is fake. Especially if it is to do with war. There is a saying I like: "In a war the truth dies first" posted by knn |
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tell that to nick bergs family who recieved a headless corpse to bury he was definately killed...whether it was the people who claimed to have done it that actually did it is another matter... if you think its fake then i suggest you look at the angle his head is pulled back to before its cut off...then tell me if its fake or not posted by the anomalys shadow |
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 well said. it seems knnknn wants to believe everything he hears on the news. he is the medias bitch posted by Agent Zero |
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Quote: it seems knnknn wants to believe everything he hears on the news What the heck? What did I say here that makes you think that? posted by knn |
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"trapped in a paradox " "It's not "a paradox". It's simply "not true". " I think you will find it is a pardox, my friend. posted by Yaldabaoth |
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im not sure what im talking about anymore posted by Agent Zero |
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Quote: I think you will find it is a pardox, my friend. There is a difference between something "being a paradox" or something "being wrong".  posted by knn |
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Marl64: I heard that on a news program and have been trapped in a paradox ever since knnknn: Quote: trapped in a paradox It's not "a paradox". It's simply "not true". Could you please explain the "accepted meaning" of the following graphic; posted by Marl64 |
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this forum is a paradox posted by Agent Zero |
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Marl64: Could you please explain the "accepted meaning" of the following graphic;
I like you too, Marl64 posted by knn |
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i also read that one of the "executioners" is clearly wearing a large gold ring, which is apparently forbidden under Islam.. although i had never heard that before.. can anyone confirm that? but like anomaly said.. the fact remains is that the man is dead.. and that's tough for the family whoever did it. posted by wAkE_uP_nEo |
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