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Register first to vote here Also read: Here some definitions from this site: Retro America’s commonalities are religiosity; social conservatism; an economic base of extraction industries, agriculture, nondurable goods manufacturing, military installations; and a commitment to the Republican Party.
The current Retro America is geographically defined as an alliance of contiguous regions—the South, its anchor, and the Prairie and Rocky Mountain states. Retro America represents “Old America” with a traditional economy, high levels of social and economic class disparities, and political power firmly based in caucasian communities. Retro America is large in geographic expanse but relatively small in population. Its 25 states encompass 66 percent of the land mass and 35 percent of the population, with a population density of 42 persons per square mile. Politically, Retro America, with 35 percent of the population, has 50 U.S. senators—half of the Senate. On the Retro side of the cultural divide are those who, in response to their conservative religious beliefs, are pro-life and support prayer in the schools, the display of Christian symbols in public facilities, and publicly funded religious social services. The Republicans who represent them in Congress vote for constitutional amendments to ban flag burning, declare the U.S. a Christian nation, allow tax-exempt religious organizations (but not other nonprofits) to engage in partisan politics, and favor limitations on the First Amendment to combat speech and symbols they perceive as pornographic or unpatriotic. Retro Representatives support subsidies to oil, mining and agriculture, but they are opposed to women’s rights, gay and lesbian rights, affirmative action, welfare, organized labor, and taxes of any kind. These are “God, Family, and Flag” folks politically dominated by rural, conservative, white, Fundamentalist Christian populations. Retro America is not the land of co-habiting, unmarried, hetero, or same-sex couples, or of the young seeking cultural excitement in the large Metro cities. The Republicans have carved out Retro America as their base and are using the dangers of terrorism and permanent war to try to create a new national unity and a new national party. Metro American states are loosely held together by common interests in promoting economic modernity and by shared cultural values marked by religious moderation; vibrant popular cultures; a tolerance of differences of class, ethnicity, tastes, and sexual orientation; and a tendency to vote Democratic.
Metro America is not geographically contiguous—New England, the Middle Atlantic, the Great Lakes states and the West Coast plus Colorado and Arizona. Metro America represents “New America,” with the New Economy and political power more equitably distributed among ethnic groups. Metro America, with 34 percent of the land mass, has 65 percent of the population, with a density of 151 persons per square mile. Metro America produces the majority of the nation’s tax revenue, but some $200 billion a year of Metro taxes flow to Retro states and support the economic life of its small cities, towns and rural areas. On the Metro side of the cultural divide are religious moderates and seculars, Democrats, and moderate Republicans who are committed to excellence in education and science, who want the arts to flourish; who are accepting of differences in ethnicity, gender, and sexual orientation; and who want a clear division between church and state. These moderates are in favor of women’s, gay, and workers’ rights. Their congressional representatives support affirmative action, public education, childcare, and other services needed by working parents, as well as progressive taxation. They oppose tax cuts for the wealthy that undercut progressive taxation, and they oppose subsidies and tax shelters favoring industry, especially the oil and extraction industries. Metro America values inclusion, respects science and social discourse, and promotes policies designed to provide physical, economic and social security for all families, both the 20 percent of the “old traditional families” and the 80 percent of the “new traditional families.” If America is ever to be a true United States, it must embrace these Metro values of inclusion and respect. posted by knn |
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that keep us a good country, the right wing nut job and the left wing hippie liberals, it ends up in the middle of the road posted by The ONEder Man |
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Quote: it ends up in the middle of the road Judging by the new book (downloadable from retrovsmetro.org) it's the conservative states that suck up the power of the US. For example the retro (conservative) states have 10x less nobel prize winners than the metro (liberal) states. posted by knn |
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Quote: For example the retro (conservative) states have 10x less nobel prize winners than the metro (liberal) states. if that's true the "metro" people would want equality in nobel winnings and would complain about that too... same "metro" people that in california wanted to give all ILLEGAL immigrants drivers licences...what? come again? are those the same illegal immigrants that don't pay taxes but still send their kids to our schools? why yes it is...the "metro" group is for making everyone equal...even the people not of our country posted by The ONEder Man |
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Don't ask me. Go the site and read the stats. It cost $2million to get all that data. It's extensive and I trust it. Quote: Between 1991 and 2000, the 25 states that make up Retro America received $800 billion more in federal payments than they paid in federal taxes. Much of this unfair transfer of wealth from the Metro states was delivered via subsidies to the extraction industries-agriculture, mining, timber, oil, etc. So, who's the real “welfare queen,” if not Retro America? posted by knn |
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What America needs now is a nice healthy civil war... posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: What America needs now is a nice healthy civil war You mean to make them feel for themselves what they have done to other countries? Like the Iran-Contra affair ♣ (where Reagan sold illegally weapons to Iran to fund terrorists who slaughtered Democrats/civilians)? Imagine China funding guys like Timothy McVeigh ♣. I always wondered how easy it was in past times to overthrow a kingdom and to start a world empire. You merely needed a few good wepons or some nerve gas. posted by knn |
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[CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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As ONEder Man says, it's the differences that make a good country. I think the stupidest thing they could do is to devide. So what if one half is hanging on the other? It's always like that. if somebody would say "let's devide Russia into European part and Asian part because the Asian part sucks too much out of the European" he would be considered an idiot. Even though for Russia it makes some sense - the country is far too big to be well-controlled from one place. posted by mymla |
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its dumb to split even though dems and repubs don't get along lately, if we split off who will we argue with in politics? wouldnt be fun anymore posted by Agent Zero |
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The ONEder Man: it's those differences that keep us a good country, the right wing nut job and the left wing hippie liberals, it ends up in the middle of the road mymla: As ONEder Man says, it's the differences that make a good country. I think the stupidest thing they could do is to devide. Agent Zero: its dumb to split even though dems and repubs don't get along lately, if we split off who will we argue with in politics? wouldnt be fun anymore These all point to one conclusion Such a split would be an admission that (U.S. Style) democracy doesn't work. And if the U.S. can't make it work in the U.S. what hope do they have making it work in Iraq. posted by Marl64 |
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Marl64: Such a split would be an admission that (U.S. Style) democracy doesn't work.
And if the U.S. can't make it work in the U.S. what hope do they have making it work in Iraq. No you're wrong Marl64, for instance the state I live in split from the US and formed part of an independent country for a few years back in the Nineteenth Century. The fact that the government had to bring it back into the union by force is a good indicator that "US style democracy" had not been achieved yet in the nineteenth century. However, things are now turning out better than the wildest dreams of the people who invented "US style democracy". They would look at our multi-ethnic, stable society with a relatively good economy and strong international presence and be impressed. Just because the rest of the world thinks the current president and his errors represent all US citizens doesn't mean anything other than the world outside the US is extremely ignorant about our society. If the people who have come to this country to seek something for themselves unavailable in their homelands are disappointed, they are free to go home and that will be ample proof that our democracy works. But if, by pulling more stunts like 9/11, they succeed in producing tyranny and division here, then we will be forced to admit not that our democracy doesn't work, but that it needs more time to work. In other words,any potential split of the US into two countries could be reversed militarily, even if it took a long time, and that would in itself be proof only that our flag still waved over the union by force and not consent. The proof that US democracy doesn't work would involve killing every last loyal American and erasing their memory from history (Soviet strategy). Thus your argument that such a split would be an admission that our democracy doesn't work is specious. Such a split would only prove that more time is required to visualize the objective. The final proof would have to be much more bloody than a civil war: it would have to be a war of extermination. posted by holy_of_holies |
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The time now is 2 December 2008, 01:23 php B.B. |