»If kerry wins i garuntee you that the US will be attcked«
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 Quote: Exactly that is why it's so dangerous. Because there is no difference between Bush's "God talked to me and I am right" and the terrorirsts' "God talked to us and we are right". of course there is a difference...bush isnt saying that all non christians should be erradicated...where as bin laden is saying that all "non believers" should be destroyed it seems that you think this war is based on religion...and i think that bush has done well not to make it that way... its not a war based on religion...its a war based on ideologies of freedom and oppression... it would probably be easier for bush if it were a war of religion...then he wouldnt have to worry about the killing of civilians as they would all be classed as the enemy but as it is...there are people in the arab countries who denounce the fundamentalists and prefer the ideologies of the west...like those being oppressed by the ayatollahs in iran... and it is these people that need to be convinced to chose our values over those of fundamentalist islam... while you are right that blowing up thousands of civilians will not help this cause... it is not as bad as our media makes out even in terms of simple maths...in the last 2 years...some 5-10 thousands civilians were killed in iraq...in the 10 years before that...350,000 were killed by the old iraqi regime...that 35,000 per year...so i think we have made a big improvement on the old situation by saying that everybody hates america(and by assosiation its allys) then you are undermining the great work that many organisations have done in iraq since the country was released from the grip of the hussein regime...education and health programmes etc...even things as simple as the handing out of sweets and pens etc to kids have helped to gather support particularly in the british controlled areas i agree that the americans could have been less gung ho and trigger happy...taking a leaf from the book of the british soldiers book would be a massive improvement in garnering support of the iraqi people but it wont do jack to change the minds of fundamentalists and if these people hide amongst civilians and those civillians are aware of it but do nothing to stop them... then KABOOOOM...tough luck posted by the anomaly |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, Iraqif kerry wins i garuntee you that the US will be attcked |
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 Quote: of course there is a difference...bush isnt saying that all non christians should be erradicated... Yep, he isn't SAYing it. But he doesn't have to. He leads a country and it's military. Quote: even in terms of simple maths...in the last 2 years...some 5-10 thousands civilians were killed in iraq...in the 10 years before that...350,000 were killed by the old iraqi regime...that 35,000 per year...so i think we have made a big improvement on the old situation By numbers yes. Quote: but it wont do jack to change the minds of fundamentalists To change the minds US would have to change the violent foreign policy. But the problem is also that the US has a mission. The US is DOING something. The US is the FIRST. The US is PRESENT. The US is the KING. Thus the US will always be the primary target. But: Bush is a major cristallization point in the turmoil of the world. posted by knn |
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 knn: That's not evil. That's just bad for the people involved.
The term "evil" is religious. Shut up Knn! Evil is not always a religious term - it is a value judgment. You might consider it to be rather abitrary without religion, but that is a different debate entirely. Arguing about terms like 'evil' is missing the point of the discussion. The same is true of Anomaly and Agent Zero. You have ignored the obvious meaning behind statements along the lines of "the world was united with America after 9/11, but since Bush's war on terror began opinion of America has gone downhill." By the world, Knn means the majority of the world. Not the Islamic fundamentalists (who make up only a minority), but the majority! The Spanish is an excellent example because the bomb attack by Al Quiaeda ensured that an anti-war government was elected. The people of Spain have a dislike for Spain because they see them as indirectly responsible for that bomb attack. We are discovering that America and Britain both had to write lies in their dossiers or spread lies through the media in order to gain support for the war. This is not encouraging to a country which has enough trouble with Basque terrorists without having middle eastern ones added too! posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: Shut up Knn! Evil is not always a religious term I would not complain if it didn't come out of the mouth of Bush. If Bush says it it's religious, as is his talk about Usama's soul being corroded and that there's nothing redeemable about him and that there is what Bush calls a "spiritual awakening in the US". IMO → Bush: USAma will always be evil; has a corroded soul Quote: it is a value judgment. A too religious judgment Quote: Shut up Knn! Finally, a clear vision! 
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 Quote: oh whats that they attcked a ship of ours? and some embasseys oh man. Exactly. Some navy ship in some foreign sea and some embassies in other countries. Clinton protected the US pretty well. Bush's reign led to WTC destruction. Go figure. posted by knn |
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 i'm not gonna comment on this as i already have on 2 other threads but... Quote: Bush's reign led to WTC destruction. his enormous 8 month reign as president? posted by The ONEder Man |
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Quote: his enormous 8 month reign as president? Yes. That makes it even more scary. Only 8 months and he disintegration of the world started. I wonder what hidden plan this guy is on. posted by knn |
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knn: Quote: his enormous 8 month reign as president? Yes. That makes it even more scary. Only 8 months and he disintegration of the world started. I wonder what hidden plan this guy is on. knn that's retardation at it's finest posted by The ONEder Man |
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Quote: knn that's retardation at it's finest Why? posted by knn |
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Bush managed to be lax enough on anti-terrorism that the WTC got destroyed by terrorists who learnt who to fly IN America! This all managed to occur within only 8 months of his reign (which is actually quite a long time to be honest). Knn says that shows signs of incompetence and One-der-man says Knn is being retarded. Did I miss something here? I don't like the way that Knn mixes up religion and politics (but then again I don't like the way the American politicians mix up religion and politics), but on this occaision I think Knn is bang on. posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: I don't like the way that Knn mixes up religion and politics If there is at least a tiny truth in religion, that you can not leave truth out of politics. Moreover I am just reacting here. Bush says god wanted him to become president (Bush really said that), then let's ask what "plan" he is on. Quote: but then again I don't like the way the American politicians mix up religion and politics yup. posted by knn |
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 fatpie42: Bush managed to be lax enough on anti-terrorism hat the WTC got destroyed by terrorists who learnt who to fly IN America! This all managed to occur within only 8 months of his reign (which is actually quite a long time to be honest). Or another way to look at it The WTC attack was planned years in advance, but 8 months of Bush gave them long enough to decide that this was the right time. posted by Marl64 |
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Quote: The WTC attack was planned years in advance, but 8 months of Bush gave them long enough to decide that this was the right time. Hehe, the leader of the 9/11 group even wrote his university dissertation during that time. So they planned it in their spare time... posted by knn |
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Quote: Bush managed to be lax enough on anti-terrorism that the WTC got destroyed by terrorists who learnt who to fly IN America! This all managed to occur within only 8 months of his reign (which is actually quite a long time to be honest). learned to fly in america...yes a free land taken advantage of...maybe we should stop all muslim men to learn how to fly, wait that would deny their basic human rights.. the terrorist were unable to bring the building down in 93...when do you think they started planning to take it down again? i'm guessing right afterwards since their mission wasn't accomplished ON CLINTONS WATCH... are you guys serious? i think it's assinine to think they just thought of it in the 8 months Bush came into office that's THE RETARDATION I SPEAK OF Quote: The WTC attack was planned years in advance, but 8 months of Bush gave them long enough to decide that this was the right time. if clinton had done a fraction of what bush has done then maybe the right time wouldn't have occured...what did clinton do? he prosocuted the individuals, never looking at the bigger picture posted by The ONEder Man |
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Quote: who learnt who to fly IN America! technically not correct as they actually did most of their training in germany posted by the anomaly |
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