»If kerry wins i garuntee you that the US will be attcked«

you don't think that foreign intelligence agencies have a duty to pick up and report on known extremist groups planning attacks while within their borders...even if the targets are outwith their country?

your accusation is that all the terrorists were learning to fly planes under the noses of the CIA for months and months and bush didn't do anything about it... read the link and it tells you that there were loads of non CIA run flight training schools where these guys were learning to fly

well i guess you have...the attacks were being planned back then...atta was an extremist of the highest order...so did he turn into a regular nice guy at the weekends and go learning to fly to releive the stress of planning the downfall of western society...just happened to be that those plans involved him flying planes...and then crashing them into buildings

the only solid intelligence came only 9 days before the attacks happened from a british report...

they acted normal...lived in florida...went to the beach...one of them even got a job
nothing looked suspicious at all.

CALLER: Yes. My question is, I would like to know, when two of the hijackers went to flight school down somewhere in south Florida, with a camel (ph) sack full of money and they said, We want to learn how to fly planes, but we don't want to learn how to take off and we don't want to learn how to land, why not -- did a red flag not go up then and that should then be reported to the authorities?

KING: Senator Biden?

BIDEN: I'll let Michael answer that.

ISIKOFF: Oh. I was going to say...

KING: Michael?

ISIKOFF: ... I think the particular instance that the caller's talking about is the Moussaoui case, which was actually in Minneapolis. And he did -- that was detected by the flight school. They did call the FBI, and that led to his arrest in mid-August, 2001.

KING: No, but didn't other two -- didn't the other two take lessons in Florida and ask -- just learn about the flying in the sky, not taking off and landing?

ISIKOFF: I'm not quite sure it was as -- as crisp and alarming as it was in the Moussaoui case, but there certainly were a lot of them taking flight schools all around the country. And that's why the FBI agent in Phoenix, Agent Williams, who wrote the Phoenix memo in July saying, Look, there are all these guys from Middle Eastern countries who are taking flight school, and they don't seem to be -- it's not quite clear why they're doing it, taking flight lessons. Maybe we should start looking at flight schools all around the country to see whether there's any pattern here and whether it is terrorist- related. That never got up to the -- that never got approved at the high levels of the FBI.

the only real criticism that can be levied is at the immigration control who never bothered to pick up on and investigate a few of the hijackers who's visa's had expired and were technicall illegal immigrants...

in June 2001, we were so frustrated with the [Bush] administration's lackadaisical attitude toward terrorism that we no longer wanted to work on the issue. As obsessed as I was with going after al-Qaeda, I felt I had to get out of the terrorism business because I couldn't work for an administration that was treating it in such an unimportant way

Much of the discussion dealt with the policies of former President Bill Clinton, for whom Mylroie served as an advisor on Iraq during the 1992 presidential campaign. Mylroie reported that her former boss had taken a tough stance toward Iraq on the campaign trail; once he took office, however, Clinton suddenly developed an aversion to dealing with what Mylroie called "the unfinished business of the Gulf War."

The response to the bombing of the World Trade Center in February of 1993 demonstrated the weakness of the Clinton administration's policies on terrorism, Mylroie said

One of the main problems with 1990s counterterrorism efforts, Mylroie argued, was that the U.S. too often treated terrorism as an issue of law enforcement rather than one of national security. As such, the issue was left to prosecutors, who were concerned only with convicting individual terrorists, neglecting the question of whether their actions might have been coordinated by a foreign government.

And FBI knew it all but failed to deliver that information to higher levels.

you don't think that foreign intelligence agencies have a duty to pick up and report on known extremist groups planning attacks while within their borders...even if the targets are outwith their country?

America's security against terrorists is its own lookout.

Ever watched Spooks?

The response to the bombing of the World Trade Center in February of 1993 demonstrated the weakness of the Clinton administration's policies on terrorism, Mylroie said

We responded to that by blowing up Iraqi intelligence headquarters and by sending a very clear message through diplomatic channels to the Iraqis, saying if you do any terrorism against the United States again, it won't just be Iraqi intelligence headquarters, it'll be your whole government. It was a very chilling message. And apparently it worked because there's absolutely no evidence of Iraqi terrorism since that day until we invaded them.

35 Americans over the course of eight years - 35 Americans - were killed by al-Qaeda during the Clinton years. And as a result of those 35 deaths, President Clinton ordered the assassination of Osama bin Laden, breaking with years of tradition and precedent, and the assassination of his deputies, by CIA. He fired cruise missiles into a base where he thought bin Laden was going to be. He launched a series of diplomatic, intelligence, law enforcement, military steps against al-Qaeda.

70 countries on the global war on terror might suggests otherwise

you mean is wasn't Bush himself? no way!

1. Fear psychosis - This is quite evident from the way TheOneDerMan and AgentZero describe the situation.

2. Belief Persistence - They have acted based on the belief that Bush will protect America from the bogeyman . ie voted for him, supported him(=anomaly).

the Bush supporters will never stop believing that Bush was appointed by divine agency to protect the Land of the Free from evil terrorists.

riiight we are all religously motivated by bush, nice stereotype

I don't agree with KNN's view that it was Bush alone who triggered Anti-Americanism.

But what else can I say but fear psychosis if you think a war in Iraq is justified just because 9/11 scared you?

Going on the offensive? Killing a lot of people, freedom fighters and innocent civilians, in Iraq won't stop a single terrorist, unless some happen to be holidaying there by random chance.

where have i said that? or are we just assuming now? go try and read the many other thread and you might know where i stand