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For the record i think christianity is wonderful and i'm not particularly religious. I'm simply writing this because a lot of people are being idiots, and that bugs me.

A lot of people like to diss christianity. They say that christians are wasting their time because there isn't any proof of what happened in the bible, and that a lot of it is just lies. In a way, those that say that are correct. In another way, those people are short sighted morons. It is historically proven that roman emperor's have edited, censored, and added to the bible to suit their political needs. It is also true that many of the symbols used in christiantiy are actually derivative of pagan symbols. Why? So that the catholic church could easily convert the pagans. One of the points that i'm trying to make is that christianity is erroneous, but that's not a bad thing. Those who blindly believe everything the Bible says are two things (and yes, i'm aware that blindly believing is the very essence of faith):

1. Fools

2. Missing the entire point of the Bible.

As Dan Brown put it, "The Bible was not faxed from heaven." The Bible was written by man, an interpretation of what they believed was the will of God. The Bible also went though translations and exists in many different versions. For all you know, the Bible could be the work of the devil, but that's where the faith part comes into play.

Blindly believing everything the Bible says is foolish when it is so blatantly clear that the book is not as authentic as one would like to think. You might as well believe that Frodo really did travel to Mordor hundreds of thousands of years ago. There is as much proof that the Lord of the Rings happened as there is of certain books in the Bible.

It is important to understand that the stories in the Bible are not meant to be historical accounts of real world events. They are meant as metaphors that should be applied to everyday life. It is not important whether or not Job really was covered in festering boils, what is important is the message that the story delivers. It isn't important whether or not Sam carried Frodo up the side of Mount Doom, what is important is the message of hope, loyalty, and dedication that the act delivers.

Whether or not you choose to believe in those messages is all a matter of faith.



(and no, i'm not a Lord of the Rings nerd, i simply used the metaphor because i know a lot you have seen the movie)

posted by CustomerDisservice
  

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i think christianity is wonderful

It _was_ wonder-full (during the time of Jesus), now it's wonder-less.
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It is historically proven that roman emperor's have edited, censored, and added to the bible to suit their political needs. It is also true that many of the symbols used in christiantiy are actually derivative of pagan symbols. Why? So that the catholic church could easily convert the pagans. One of the points that i'm trying to make is that christianity is erroneous, but that's not a bad thing.

Either you accept that it's the word of god ot not. Because what you just stated means that it's a "nice book with some crazy stuff". It it _IS_ just such a book, then why being Christian? Why not just "being nice and friendly"?
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Missing the entire point of the Bible.

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Hear, hear! After 2000 years of reading, studying and fighting, the point of the bible is yet unknown. Maybe the point is that there is none.
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You might as well believe that Frodo really did travel to Mordor hundreds of thousands of years ago... It is important to understand that the stories in the Bible are not meant to be historical accounts of real world events.

OK tell me which part of the bible you don't believe. And I state here the opposite: It is important to understand that the stories in the Bible are meant to be historical accounts of real world events.
Jehoshua, good friend of John the baptiser


posted by knn

religion



I think that all religions are important in order to provide peace amond the people.
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posted by emrah sazak
  

All religions?



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I think that all religions are important in order to provide peace amond the people.

Even satanism and radical islam?


posted by knn
  

Religion




All religion is EVIL and a load of CRAP. It doesn't create peace at all. Look at Norhern Ireland, Pakistan, the Middle East (I know that there are more reasons than religion that causes the situation in the middle east) and India, I wouldn't call that peace,so to you Mr Emra Sazak you are unfortunatlly very ignorant and obviously have great issues. WAKE UP MISTER! Evil evil
Note that among isn't spelled amond...see what religion does to you, he he


posted by Leana
  



I agree with Leana, but I also respect religion! I mean, who knows what life would be like without it, and as far as I'm concerned my life's great (which is stupid cus why should I live a great life when others are living in arid deserts with no food or clean water!) Maybe life'd be better with out it, but then it could lead to something amazing in the future which could make up for the years of suffering cultures have suffered! I for one can't wait for such a day, but bah, who knows!

The only problem I have with some religous people is their disrespect for an open mind and general equality.

posted by hungarian kid
  Weiter, weiter ins Verderben!
Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben!

the basic concepts of religon



are good, but when misconstrued, look what happens, most wars of the world were/are because of religon

btw welcome leana! glad you joined the forum! Thumb Up

p.s. nice guilty plessure King for a day

posted by The ONEder Man
  

Religion = Goodness?



emrah sazak:
I think that all religions are important in order to provide peace amond the people

I have to disagree. I think religions are only good to spread hatred among people. It causes everyone to fight against each other, because everybody has to defend their religious beliefs.

The way I see it, religion was one of the stupidest things men could ever invent.


posted by Echelon
  "We turn to religion as a source of comfort and strength in a world torn apart ... by religion" - Jon Stewart

what about morality?



the bible is a very good moral book to abide ones life by, with a few exceptions of bias Evil evil but to me that was probably the opinion of the writer at the time
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I think religions are only good to spread hatred among people. It causes everyone to fight against each other, because everybody has to defend their religious beliefs.

if you believe this is the case, then religon itself is not the culprit, it is religous tolerance that needs to be addressed


posted by The ONEder Man
  I know where you live. I will send a rape commando -- knn



Religious leaders aren't precisely teaching people to be tolerant. Their beliefs don't let them do so.

BTW: it's good to have such a bright new member on the forum Leana Thumb Up

posted by Echelon
  

Morality?



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the bible is a very good moral book to abide ones life by

Well, I don't want you to think I'm attacking you but let me cite some passages in the Bible that just don't match with what you just said:
Judges 21: 7, 10-12
What are we to do about wives for those who are still living? For we have taken an oath by the Lord that we will not give them our daughters for wives.
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So they (the meeting) sent twelve thousand of the best fighting-men, and gave them orders, saying, Go and put the people of Jabesh-gilead to the sword without mercy, with their women and their little ones.
And this is what you are to do: every male, and every woman who has had sex relations with a man, you are to put to the curse, but you are to keep safe the virgins. And they did so.
Now there were among the people of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins who had never had sex relations with a man; these they took to their tents in Shiloh in the land of Canaan.


This passage is saying that women are to be treated as nothing more than a man's belonging like a cow or sheep.
Deuteronomy 21: 11-14
If among the prisoners you see a beautiful woman and it is your desire to make her your wife;
Then take her back to your house; and let her hair and her nails be cut;
And let her take off the dress in which she was made prisoner and go on living in your house and weeping for her father and mother for a full month: and after that you may go in to her and be her husband and she will be your wife.
But if you have no delight in her, you are to let her go wherever she will; you may not take a price for her as if she was your property, for you have made use of her for your pleasure.


Does this seem "moral" to you?

Is slavery moral? Let's see what the Bible says about that.
Exodus 21
21:1 Now these are the laws which you are to put before them.
21:2 If you get a Hebrew servant for money, he is to be your servant for six years, and in the seventh year you are to let him go free without payment.
21:3 If he comes to you by himself, let him go away by himself: if he is married, let his wife go away with him.
21:4 If his master gives him a wife, and he gets sons or daughters by her, the wife and her children will be the property of the master, and the servant is to go away by himself.
21:5 But if the servant says clearly, My master and my wife and children are dear to me; I have no desire to be free:
21:6 Then his master is to take him to the gods of the house, and at the door, or at its framework, he is to make a hole in his ear with a sharp-pointed instrument; and he will be his servant for ever.
21:7 And if a man gives his daughter for a price to be a servant, she is not to go away free as the men-servants do.
21:8 If she is not pleasing to her master who has taken her for himself, let a payment be made for her so that she may go free; her master has no power to get a price for her and send her to a strange land, because he has been false to her.
21:9 And if he gives her to his son, he is to do everything for her as if she was his daughter.
21:10 And if he takes another woman, her food and clothing and her married rights are not to be less.
21:11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she has the right to go free without payment.
21:12 He who gives a man a death-blow is himself to be put to death.
21:13 But if he had no evil purpose against him, and God gave him into his hand, I will give you a place to which he may go in flight.
21:14 But if a man makes an attack on his neighbour on purpose, to put him to death by deceit, you are to take him from my altar and put him to death.
21:15 Any man who gives a blow to his father or his mother is certainly to be put to death.
21:16 Any man who gets another into his power in order to get a price for him is to be put to death, if you take him in the act.
21:17 Any man cursing his father or his mother is to be put to death.
21:18 If, in a fight, one man gives another a blow with a stone, or with the shut hand, not causing his death, but making him keep in bed;
21:19 If he is able to get up again and go about with a stick, the other will be let off; only he will have to give him payment for the loss of his time, and see that he is cared for till he is well.
21:20 If a man gives his man-servant or his woman-servant blows with a rod, causing death, he is certainly to undergo punishment.
21:21 But, at the same time, if the servant goes on living for a day or two, the master is not to get punishment, for the servant is his property.
21:22 If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.
21:23 But if damage comes to her, let life be given in payment for life,
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow.
21:26 If a man gives his man-servant or his woman-servant a blow in the eye, causing its destruction, he is to let him go free on account of the damage to his eye.
21:27 Or if the loss of a tooth is caused by his blow, he will let him go free on account of his tooth.
21:28 If an ox comes to be the cause of death to a man or a woman, the ox is to be stoned, and its flesh may not be used for food; but the owner will not be judged responsible.
21:29 But if the ox has frequently done such damage in the past, and the owner has had word of it and has not kept it under control, so that it has been the cause of the death of a man or woman, not only is the ox to be stoned, but its owner is to be put to death.
21:30 If a price is put on his life, let him make payment of whatever price is fixed.
21:31 If the death of a son or of a daughter has been caused, the punishment is to be in agreement with this rule.
21:32 If the death of a man-servant or of a woman-servant is caused by the ox, the owner is to give their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox is to be stoned.
21:33 If a man makes a hole in the earth without covering it up, and an ox or an ass dropping into it comes to its death;
21:34 The owner of the hole is responsible; he will have to make payment to their owner, but the dead beast will be his.
21:35 And if one man's ox does damage to another man's ox, causing its death, then the living ox is to be exchanged for money, and division made of the price of it, and of the price of the dead one.
21:36 But if it is common knowledge that the ox has frequently done such damage in the past, and its owner has not kept it under control, he will have to give ox for ox; and the dead beast will be his.


Do you still think it's moral?

Set your George Michael free


posted by Echelon
  

you're right



just look in the book of deuteronomy (i think). It goes on to say that disobedient children should be stoned to death at the city gates. And you thought being grounded was harsh... Evil evil

posted by CustomerDisservice
  

What religions?



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All religion is EVIL and a load of CRAP.

Nah, depends on
1) the religion
2) your definition of religion

You are obviously talking about religions where god(s) are worshiped, who never show any clear signs of their existence since a few hundred of years. But there are other religions.


posted by knn
  

Sinners must be killed



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It causes everyone to fight against each other, because everybody has to defend their religious beliefs.

The problem with religions is that the usually the believers cannot prove what they are saying, thus they have to smash some heads of non-believers to make their point

Believer: "Jesus is son of god"
Some other cap: "Jesus who?"
Believer: "Whaa? You'll just wait, boy... *head smash* Haha, now you see, my god is stronger than yours... He was a sinner, I _had_ to kill him"


posted by knn
  

The fuzzy logic of the bible



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the bible is a very good moral book to abide ones life by

Christian history proves you wrong. The bible's god is a god of brutality and guilt. And Christians always behaved that way.

The other fault of the bible (the MAIN fault if you ask me) is that there is practically nothing written other than stories (whether true stories or not). Thus nearly every argumentation about "moral behaviour" is pure personal argumentation. It's not even clear whether you should beat your kids or not as you can easily see from


There is hardly anything in the bible that shows you a clear application in life. Why don't jews eat meat with cheese? Is oral sex OK? Nothing is clear! Everything is obscure.


posted by knn
  



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