»Satan's Rebellion«
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 Christianity claims that Satan is rebelling against God. But how does that make logical sense? What could Satan hope to achieve? All Christians know that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, and that the Bible is the word of God. So Christians know, from reading the Bible, that in the rebellion against God, Satan is doomed to fail, and that he will ultimately be sentenced to eternity in hell. He will lose so completely that all of his followers, and every non-Christian, will also be sentenced to eternity in hell. No consolation prize for the loser. If Christians know this, then angels have to know it. Angels, after all, lived in the presence of God, were probably around during Creation, and have no reason to doubt His magnificence (unlike us humans, who have every reason to question God's existence, and have never witnessed His power). So Satan, being an angel, has to know the horrible fate that awaits him. Given that... what could he possibly hope to accomplish? For some crazy reason, he still continues this pointless rebellion, even though every effort he makes will be completely fruitless. How does Christianity justify this senselessness? The only possibilities I can determine are: (1) Satan doesn't know that he will lose / thinks that he can win, but is wrong. Thus, Satan is stupider than every Christian. Every Christian on Earth knows Satan will lose, but Satan hasn't caught on. (2) Satan doesn't care that he will lose. Thus, Satan thinks it's better to spend eternity in hell in exchange for causing less than 10,000 years of mayhem. Thus, hell really can't be that bad of a place, if Satan's willing to spend eternity there. (3) Satan is being forced by God to rebel. Thus, the whole rebellion is a sham, and Satan is merely a puppet, unable to do anything but rebel. (4) Satan knows that he can win. Thus, the Bible is lying --- the battle of Armageddon is not yet a done deal. posted by Tiefling |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsSatan's Rebellion |
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 Quote: Thus, Satan is stupider than every Christian. Every Christian on Earth knows Satan will lose, but Satan hasn't caught on. this statement could be seen as false because mere humans only think/believe satan will lose, therefore it's not a problem with stupidity so much as it would be a problem of ignorance...there is also the theme of hope involved too i would think i read somewhere not too long ago that satan can be seen as a prosecuting attorney, bringing forth the case of man to God and trying to find evidence, kinda like in the story of Job... i'm gonna add one if you don't mind 5. Satan was part of God's plan... kinda like Mr. Slugworth in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory! 
posted by The ONEder Man |
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 Quote: All Christians know that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, and that the Bible is the word of God. So Christians know, from reading the Bible, that in the rebellion against God, Satan is doomed to fail, and that he will ultimately be sentenced to eternity in hell. He will lose so completely that all of his followers, and every non-Christian, will also be sentenced to eternity in hell. No consolation prize for the loser. But will he really lose if he gets to have a place of his own where he could be "god" and rule all of those who weren't good enough to go to heaven? Wasn't this his goal? To doom people for all eternity? posted by Echelon |
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Quote: Wasn't this his goal? To doom people for all eternity? i thought it was to turn as many people from god as he could, to join him not actually worship him...i may be mistaken though.. posted by The ONEder Man |
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The ONEder Man: 5. Satan was part of God's plan... I'm hoping that was covered by (3), that Satan is being made to rebel by God. Is there a difference? oscargabrielp: But will he really lose if he gets to have a place of his own where he could be "god" and rule all of those who weren't good enough to go to heaven? Wasn't this his goal? To doom people for all eternity? My impression (which could be mistaken!) is that Satan will be punished as much as everyone else who goes to hell. Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Hell doesn't seem to be his private domain to me. It seems to be his tortuous prison in the same way that it is for non-believers. The ONEder Man: i thought it was to turn as many people from god as he could, to join him not actually worship him...i may be mistaken though.. Well, yeah, that does seem to be his rebellion. But I mean, for what purpose is he trying to do that? Everyone who joins him will share in his punishment. Why doesn't he give up? The ONEder Man: kinda like Mr. Slugworth in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory! Maybe Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a metaphor for Christianity. 
posted by Tiefling |
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 Satan is made up by christian-freaks who wanted to have control over people :-) If he would exist then he would indeed be part of God's plan and that would mean God is playing a game with us. Why did he create us in the first place? If we are his creation, then his creation has failed. We have the ability to sin, which is an error in his eyes. Shouldn't he take responsibility for his creation and put us out of our misery instead of playing games with us instead? Maybe God provides Satan because we find the perfect Garden rather to be plain dull and he provided Jezus so we can still have some peace now and then. He gives us humans balance between light and dark and this makes life interesting on this earth. But the question remains. Why? Why would God do all these things? Why create humans when he already has perfect angels? Was he bored? I personally don't believe in God as a spirit or person. The Universe -and all that resides in it- is equal to God. You and I are both a littlle bit God because we influence each other. There is negative energy in the Universe (seen by most people as Satan) and there is positive energy in the Universe (seen by people as Jezus). Your soul is a tiny peace of energy from the Universe which is divided in parts of both negative- (your darkside) and positive parts. The purpose of life is to spiritually grow, so that the Universe can grow. But why the Universe has to grow and who created the Universe to begin with...I don't know, do you? posted by Mobil_Ave_Neo |
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 mobil ave makes the jump to hyperspace how ya doin man?  posted by the anomaly |
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Mobil_Ave_Neo: Satan is made up by christian-freaks who wanted to have control over people  Right on the nail. Mobil_Ave_Neo: If he would exist then he would indeed be part of God's plan and that would mean God is playing a game with us. Still right as rain. Quote: Why did he create us in the first place? Excellent question. The answer is in the previous quote I took from your post. Good to see that I'm not the only one asking this questions and really trying to find answers. I personally believe Satan doesn't exist, and Christians shouldn't either. It's stupid and contradictory to their faith and their beliefs about God being "all good". Someone who is all good couldn't have possibly created someone that evil to bring suffering upon us. posted by Echelon |
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Quote: Someone who is all good couldn't have possibly created someone that evil to bring suffering upon us. for good to even have a value, evil must also exist, unless you believe those to be subjective in nature posted by The ONEder Man |
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 The words "Satan", "Lucifer", "Devil", "Serpant", "Beast" are used as synonyms by Christians. Without a valid proof I might add. These could be total independent identities. If they are different then this would have a heavy impact on "hell and future" predictions. posted by knn |
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Quote: he will ultimately be sentenced to eternity in hell. So Satan, being an angel, has to know the horrible fate that awaits him. Hell is defined as "Absence of god". Satan is already living in pre-hell. It won't make much difference for him. posted by knn |
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Tiefling: The ONEder Man: 5. Satan was part of God's plan... I'm hoping that was covered by (3), that Satan is being made to rebel by God. Is there a difference? In my view: Yes. Although a tiny one in the end. Consider this: God created Satan to harass humans. God created Satan although god knew Satan would harass humans. A tiny difference in the end. posted by knn |
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(6) Satan will win (7) Satan = God, maybe as Trinity thingie (God, Jesus, Satan) or Quaternity thingie (God, Jesus, Holy Ghost, Satan) Hmm, why did you forget this? Victim of indoctrination? Harhar!  posted by knn |
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The ONEder Man: for good to even have a value, evil must also exist, unless you believe those to be subjective in nature I disagree here as I have at IMO → Why doesn't god stop evil? posted by knn |
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Quote: Why would God do all these things? Why create humans when he already has perfect angels? Was he bored? Just because it's a mystery doesn't mean that there is no answer. That god is all-loving (doesn't want to make us suffer) and all-mighty (could erase evil) but doesn't stop Satan merely means that there is a higher good than being unharassed by Satan. In other words: There is something good in evil. Something that is more good than evil is evil. But that is another thread posted by knn |
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