»What abortion would you allow?«
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 Register first to vote here. I use the First Lady as an example to give this poll a face. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPolitics and Crime (Assorted topics)What abortion would you allow? |
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 How about: I would allow the abortion if the first lady wanted one posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: I would allow the abortion if the first lady wanted one Yeah sure, it's all if she wants. I am asking this "what would you as the legislative allow" posted by knn |
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 Oha, after 1 week after I posted this poll 1 guy has voted. Uff. Voted "I don't know".  posted by knn |
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I'm even willing to allow the physically impossible! Howz that? If you kill the baby after birth is isn't an abortion anymore. It's called infanticide - and in certain cases it may be fair to allow even that (very rare cases). Aren't I nice, leaving all the decisions to the first lady? posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: It's called infanticide OK, added posted by knn |
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 not allow it unless the First Lady would die. A life for a life...shaky ground there. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Must she be forced to have a child when the entire sex act in which it was conceived was placed upon her against her will? Pregnancy is both physically and mentally damaging and for a consenting parent these effects are seen as worthwhile. Why would you allow them to be inflicted on an innocent who had them forced upon her? posted by fatpie42 |
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If the lady had an abortion, regardless of whether or not she was raped, she would have SOME kind of guilt in her. If she actually had the baby, and maybe put it up for adoption, I don't think she would feel as bad. For the physical deformed part, you don't know what the child could do for the world. So many of the world's geniuses have been physically challenged. Even today. I forgot his name though...something like Robert Thrasher...I'm not sure..xP posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Wouldn't she have the same guilt if the baby would have survived after the pregnancy killed her? She'd have prevented a life from occuring. A life which might be a genius who could change the world. Might I suggest that such an argument is pointless because it puts the potential of the child above and beyond any potential of the mother. Pregnancy is physically and mentally damaging and it is not entered into lightly. Forcing a woman to go through it is cruel - especially when she has just been through a rape! Imagine a place where women are given no respect. A woman is regularly raped. Sounds ridiculous, i know, and maybe it is. What I want to know is would the woman be forced to spend her entire life giving birth to these unwanted offspring? Doesn't this illustrate the kind of status you are giving women with your argument where nothing matters more than the foetus that has been placed in her womb? posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: Wouldn't she have the same guilt if the baby would have survived after the pregnancy killed her? She'd have prevented a life from occuring. A life which might be a genius who could change the world. look. in my very first post on this topic I said that I was against abortion, ONLY IF the "First Lady" 's life was in danger. Quote: Imagine a place where women are given no respect. A woman is regularly raped. Sounds ridiculous, i know, and maybe it is. What I want to know is would the woman be forced to spend her entire life giving birth to these unwanted offspring? Check out this site:  Quote: Dr. John Willke reports that rape pregnancies occur about 1 or 2 for each 1000 rapes. Less than half of rape pregnancies are aborted; the rest of them are carried to term. Willke cites a study in which women carried their babies to term in 28 of 35 rape pregnancies. Willke says that the complaint of a woman who is raped and gets pregnant is not that she is pregnant, but how other people treat her, avoiding her or acting as though the rape were partly her fault. 1 in 1000, PEOPLE! Quote: Father Pavone responds that "not only does the abortion not alleviate the trauma of rape, but it brings a trauma of its own." He explains, "In rape, the trauma is `Someone hurt me.' In abortion, the trauma is `I hurt and killed someone else: my child.’ [And] that brings more grief." Pavone says that he knows of women who were raped and than had abortions and are in counseling, not for the rape, but for the abortion! Good site. 
posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Maybe the good doctor is right, but it isn't his decision to make. The woman should have the right to decide which will be more traumatic. I know you accept abortions which save the life of the mother. I am saying that if you have any care for the mother this should mean you accept abortions where the woman has been raped aswell. I am not saying - 'in these cases there SHOULD be an abortion', I am saying 'in these cases the woman should have the RIGHT to an abortion if she so chooses'. Actually I would give the woman the right to an abortion whenever she wants it - but that's my view not yours. posted by fatpie42 |
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Quote: 1 in 1000, PEOPLE! This is an interesting statistic, indeed. But is this an argument to forbid rape abortions? It's an argument to ALLOW them (since it isn't abused anyway). posted by knn |
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Quote: It's an argument to ALLOW them (since it isn't abused anyway). Um...could you clarify...I don't really understand what you're saying...sorry... 
posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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nocturnal_anonymous: Quote: It's an argument to ALLOW them (since it isn't abused anyway). Um...could you clarify...I don't really understand what you're saying...sorry... Things that are done seldomly are ususally not regulated by the law. Actually in a country where everybody would be peaceloving and would have no intention whatsoever to murder anybody there may be even a lack of laws that penalize murder. (( Which raises the question: Why did jews need the 10 commandements? It should be clear with or without them, that you should not murder. )) posted by knn |
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