»Reincarnation does not conflict with Christianity«
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 I can't see reincarnation and Christianity coinciding. How can we be one being (body, soul, and spirit) if our bodies are interchangable? posted by stinkz |
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 Doesn't Paul say that the reincarnation will involve being given new bodies? Reincarnation doesn't involve us being 'disembodied' at any point. It certainly doesn't involve an idea of the body as a 'prison for the soul' such as Paul was arguing against. It simply involves us having another embodied life before the second coming. posted by fatpie42 |
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I guess if you're talking about our new bodies, when we inhabit the New Jerusalem, as a form of reincarnation... I guess. But, then again, talking about Paul. It seemed like he was saying that he has "run the race" and "fought the good fight" which seems to me to be pretty final. Oh! And yah... the thief on the cross? Jesus said to him, "today, you will be with me in paradise." That seems to suggest to me that the next step after death is paradise. I mean, if you want to look at it from a Karma standpoint, the thief had been a thief all his life until the very moment of his death, yet he still entered paradise. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: if you want to look at it from a Karma standpoint I don't. I will accept that those words from Jesus DO seem to contradict Paul's teachings. How would you explain this? Was the theif in heaven in a 'body' that day? (Perhaps you can also explain why the meek inherit the earth when everyone else gets to go to heaven. I know there ARE explanations for these things I just don't know what they are.) posted by fatpie42 |
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Most people have the idea in their head that, when you die, you go to heaven or hell. I'm not sure if this is theologically sound. It seems like there is a place called "paradise" where people go when they die, to await the New Jerusalem. But, I doubt anyone really wants to get into the nitty-gritty of all that. What I'm wondering is, what contradiction? posted by stinkz |
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The one you just said you weren't prepared to get into the nitty gritty of. When you die, do you (as Paul says) remain dead until such time as you are re-embodied? Or do you (as Jesus says) go to paradise to be with him? (which would suggest that souls can exist unembodied - thus refuting Paul's entire argument). What am I missing here? posted by fatpie42 |
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Ahhh... I see. You are equating paradise with heaven. I think paradise may be the "place of the dead" that Paul was referring to, before we all enter the New Jerusalem. I'm not actually sure, however. posted by stinkz |
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 stinkz: I guess if you're talking about our new bodies, when we inhabit the New Jerusalem, as a form of reincarnation... I guess. That is not reincarnation, that is "resurrection in the flesh". The only question is whether it will be a flesh made of
stinkz: Oh! And yah... the thief on the cross? Jesus said to him, "today, you will be with me in paradise." That seems to suggest to me that the next step after death is paradise. Not necessarily. The verse is "I say to you, today you will be..." but it can be also translated as "I say to you today, you will be..." (note the different set of the comma). stinkz: I'm not sure if this is theologically sound It's not. It's not biblical. stinkz: I can't see reincarnation and Christianity coinciding. How can we be one being (body, soul, and spirit) if our bodies are interchangable? The spirit is separatable from the body. That alone is a contradiction to Christianity. posted by knn |
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knn: The spirit is separatable from the body. That alone is a contradiction to Christianity. Then what about this 'place of the dead'. Is that not a seperation from the body. The idea of reincarnation is that someone stays embodied, but in a different body from the one they previously had. To say that someone's body cannot change seems a bit strange when we shed our cells every day, can survive being partially dismembered or disfigured, have parts of us which change as we go through puberty. The body CAN change. The question is: can it change "entirely" BEFORE the second coming? posted by fatpie42 |
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 stinkz: I mean, if you want to look at it from a Karma standpoint, the thief had been a thief all his life until the very moment of his death, yet he still entered paradise. Pure speculation - unless of course the Bible happened to chronicle his life too. How do we know the thief on the cross was bad? He could well have been a good and honest man, who's crime was through necessity or indeed fabricated to see an end to him. posted by Marl64 |
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fatpie42: Then what about this 'place of the dead'. Is that not a seperation from the body. Place of the dead? There is nothing like that in the bible except in a figurative sense: "He entered the realm of death" = "He died" posted by knn |
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knn: Place of the dead? There is nothing like that in the bible except in a figurative sense: "He entered the realm of death" = "He died" stinkz: I think paradise may be the "place of the dead" that Paul was referring to, before we all enter the New Jerusalem. Can someone work out what the Bible actually says? I have suggested that Jesus contradicts Paul and so far (against my better judgment) it appears that I am right! 
Is this idea from knn (below) the solution, Stinkz?: knn: The verse is "I say to you, today you will be..." but it can be also translated as "I say to you today, you will be..." (note the different set of the comma). To get back on topic (and presuming for the moment that Knn's solution is the right one), reincarnation simply suggests that some people are re-embodied before the second coming. That would be acceptable for Christians would it not? (To a certain extent I am glad that this is proving to be a challenging question. The alien question felt rather daft, but this is actually requiring some thought) posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: Can someone work out what the Bible actually says? I have suggested that Jesus contradicts Paul and so far (against my better judgment) it appears that I am right! There is NOTHING in the bible that contradicts anything else in the bible. EVERY so called "contradiction" can be explained. IMO → Inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible posted by knn |
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[quote="knn"] fatpie42: against my better judgment Why do you think I wrote that knn? I don't think there is a contradiction. I want you to explain how there ISN'T one. (And, if you read my post, I am presuming that you already did explain.) posted by fatpie42 |
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