»Illnesses - From god or from the devil?«
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 Register to vote here posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsIllnesses - From god or from the devil? |
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 They come from within a person or from the environment surrounding us. If you are talking about illnesses like headaches, asthma, flu, etc. posted by Echelon |
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Quote: They come from within a person or from the environment surrounding us. If you are talking about illnesses like headaches, asthma, flu, etc. Any kind of illness. posted by knn |
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 Well this is one-sided isn't it? No one religious seen this topic yet then, lol! Hmmm I'm going to guess that most religious people on this forum don't believe in the devil, or at least don't want to attribute too much power to him. They also don't want to believe that God 'sends' illnesses to people. As a result they are very happy to consider illness to be an 'untampered' part of creation. It seems that God is involved when you recover from religion, but He couldn't possibly be involved in you getting it in the first place  posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: It seems that God is involved when you recover from religion, but He couldn't possibly be involved in you getting it in the first place 
posted by knn |
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 here i am! anyway, i do attribute lots of power to devil, he was a really high up angel anyway and still retains some power. God can send illnesses, as punishments or testing (like Job). but mainly you get sick, because of environment etc..but yes, God can make you sick. im not that kind of totally biased christian  posted by sangu |
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fatpie42: It seems that God is involved when you recover from religion, but He couldn't possibly be involved in you getting it in the first place Oh now i see why Knn was so impressed with this statement. This is, quite obviously, a big freudian slip (since I actually consider myself to have 'recovered from religion' it may have some link to that or it could just be mistake) What I MEANT to write there was "God is involved when you recover from ILLNESS" Silly Me! 
posted by fatpie42 |
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 ..comes from virii that infect the body, do you all imagine god sat there with a little remote control aiming the flu at people who have pissed him off? behave posted by Crossfade |
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 yeah, it is also environmental related. sometimes God acts directly to give a sickness, but probably not always. he gave us immune systems to fight off those evil germs. so mostly, environmental, but sometimes i think God has a direct hand in it. posted by sangu |
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Well yeah, but you could say the same thing about the creation of the universe. 'Anthropic Principle' is a well recognised argument for God's existence. Big bang theorists have shown that the number of coincidences required to make life possible are astronomically unlikely if they occurred by chance. What has been suggested is that God designed the universe so that these coincidences would occur and so that we might live. On your reading we can quite easily say "Oh, God didn't make these things come about, it was just environmental factors. God just made the initial big bang' Then we could quite easily say that God wasn't responsible for the ensuing creation. But there's a problem here isn't there? If God set the ball rolling surely he is responsible for the way the natural progression sends things. If viruses are produced and they affect certain people, God knew they would do that from the very beginning. The same goes for whether people will survive those illnesses. To say, "oh God didn't do it, environmental factors did it" is to pretend that God does not have any power over environmental factors! posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: To say, "oh God didn't do it, environmental factors did it" is to pretend that God does not have any power over environmental factors! God does have power over those factors. posted by sangu |
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then God is completely responsible when someone is affected by illness. When a child dies, God killed them. posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: then God is completely responsible when someone is affected by illness. When a child dies, God killed them. IF you want to word it that way. yes, death is a natural cycle of life. sometimes i don't really get why he does stuff, but he is responsible. but don't get it mixed up with God controlling everything; he lets us make our decisions. posted by sangu |
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I never said God didn't let us make decisions. I said that he is responsible for all deaths by disease. posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: I said that he is responsible for all deaths by disease. Then also count "broken bones" as disease. After all he could have made robust bodies. posted by knn |
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