»Creationism vs Evolution«
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 Can't remeber, was a looong time ago.  posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsCreationism vs Evolution |
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 lets put things into context science has given masses and masses of information that supports evolution over hundreds of millions of years they have fossil evidence that shows the gradual evolution of hundreds of species that they have confirmed were related through DNA checks they show without question(because its still going on)...the shifting of the earth techtonic plates that have isolated members of a single species...they have then shown how this single species evolved separately due to differing factors placed on them over millions of years...these factors being as i mentioned earlier...disease,predation,climate,food etc etc they can even show how the intermediate species die out between us and apes...the evidence showing that apes are still best adapted to 1 enviroment and humans to another...both being better suited to their respective enviroments that the stages that existed between them...as you say...survival of the fittest they can show a species evolution in a lab...through bacteria...example...millions of bacteria are killed by drug x...a single mutated bacteria remain unaffected...this bacteria then has no competition for resourses and so multiplies unhindered...and then all the bacteria are resitant to the drug...this is evolution infact there is but one single scientificly based explanation for the events of the book of genesis...and that is that scientists have charted the evolution of homosapiens to the same area that was alleged to have been where the garden of eden was... all other arguments are total rubbish...as shown in the link above the argument that god exists...because a book says so is not good enough and if that's the criteria(given that no other evidence for the events that the bible contains exist) then i argue that harry potter is also real...and while we are at it...so is hobbiton...and discworld can you prove that they arent? posted by the anomaly |
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 knn: As a forum admin I refuse to answer that question and to tell you how everything started. Why? So that's why you seem to contradict whatever is being said on a certain topic? 
The rules of "freedom of speech" inside this forum apply to you as well you know. 
posted by Echelon |
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Quote: This is the way how family trees are told. Only the sons are listed. They had a lot of daughters, but they are not listed. show me that family tree...how did the first people know to write a family tree...more to the point...how did they know to exclude the daughters as this would be done in a future society and what arent we all fucking spastics...because inbreeding in humans results in a massively increased chance of down syndrome occuring... posted by the anomaly |
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is this one applicable here ARGUMENT FROM CREATION
(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists. (2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable (3) Therefore, God exists. posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: science has given masses and masses of information that supports evolution over hundreds of millions of years Proof? Only finished ready made life forms have been found. Quote: they have fossil evidence that shows the gradual evolution of hundreds of species that they have confirmed were related through DNA checks How does that contradict creationism? Quote: and then all the bacteria are resitant to the drug...this is evolution No, this is adaptation. The bacteria is still a bacteria. Not a dog suddenly. And please give examples with higher life forms, not single cells. Quote: infact there is but one single scientificly based explanation for the events of the book of genesis And these events are? Please tell with what you disagree in the bible? posted by knn |
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Quote: show me that family tree...how did the first people know to write a family tree...more to the point...how did they know to exclude the daughters as this would be done in a future society ? It's just a cultural form/ Jewish tradition of how to write a familiy tree "X son of Y son of Z" Females are not listed. posted by knn |
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Quote: According to you, knn, how did human beings come to exist? Evolution? Creation? Mutation? Actually if I was a scientists I would argue, that there is some influence (some law of nature) that science hasn't discovered yet. Because besides the evolution there is another big big problem: How simple forms of DNA come into being and start to work. You have a cocktail of chemicals and then suddenly DNA appears and, voila, bacteria are working and then after a few billion years of radioactivity humans have chromosomes etc. Something's undiscovered here. To not lead the simple minded directly to the conclusion "Therefore the bible is correct", I would call the this hidden influence "Midichlorians"  .
posted by knn |
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Animals other than human beings are not really important in this discussion. According to the Bible, God's main creation is humans. The cherry in the pie if you wish. So there must be some kind of evidence that shows we were in fact created. We shouldn't have any "ancestors" but we do. Science proved that we have in fact common ancestors with apes. So, if we are his main creation, why the hell can we be traced back to apes?  posted by Echelon |
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Quote: And these events are? Please tell with what you disagree in the bible? what biblical stories do i disagree with...all of them...none have been proven...none of them happened not the ark...not the flood...not the parting of the sea...not the crucifixtion...not rising from the dead... its all the fevered imagination of idiot writers from long ago who lacked the inteligence to comprehend the science of the modern world Quote: No, this is adaptation. The bacteria is still a bacteria. Not a dog suddenly. and noone states that this is what evolution is its seems quite futile to on and its obvious you are doing what you are doing to be annoying so lets turn the tables show me evidence of god... i have shown the evidence for evolution...now its your turn to prove the truth and verasity of the bible posted by the anomaly |
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I think he's only doing it to keep things interesting in here... This place would be pretty boring if everyone agrees with everyone. Most of us seem to think the same way about certain aspects, most of us aren't Christian, and most of us are not religious at all. posted by Echelon |
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Quote: Science proved that we have in fact common ancestors with apes. So, if we are his main creation, why the hell can we be traced back to apes? Where did science PROVE that? "Evolution" is just a thesis. And we cannot be tracked except for hypothetical tracks. Quote: what biblical stories do i disagree with...all of them...none have been proven...none of them happened What have biblical stories to do with god's creation? God may have created every life form, regardless of bible stories or not. Quote: its seems quite futile to on and its obvious you are doing what you are doing to be annoying I am just defending "creationism" from arguments you yourself condemn: The priest told me the bible is true The bible tells that god exists Therefore god exists Anomaly: The bible doesn't mention Adam's daughters The bible is completely wrong Therefore evolution exist OK, this is simplified but I want to point out that creationists have arguements AGAINST the radioactivity theory. While scientists have no real argument against "A higher being controlled the development of all life forms". How could they have? Quote: show me evidence of god... I can't. But it doesn't prove one bit, that the scientific explanation is correct. Quote: I think he's only doing it to keep things interesting in here... I am just protecting minorities. posted by knn |
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Quote: creationists have arguements AGAINST the radioactivity theory. what arguments...there is no arguments..."because i say so" isnt an argument where as fossil and DNA evidence for evolution...as well as the carbon dating(and saying they might be wrong is not a valid argument) of life forms which pre date the supposed beginning of life according to biblical teachings proof that god didn't create all life...he didn't create me! posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: what arguments...there is no arguments..."because i say so" isnt an argument The impropability of evolution is a valid scientific argument. Quote: where as fossil and DNA evidence for evolution...as well as the carbon dating(and saying they might be wrong is not a valid argument) of life forms which pre date the supposed beginning of life according to biblical teachings You are argueing biblical again. Just because you disagree with the biblical timeline, doesn't make science right immediately. Quote: proof that god didn't create all life...he didn't create me! I can't. posted by knn |
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its not a matter of me disagreeing...its a matter of the evidence that refutes that biblical timeline posted by the anomaly |
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