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 the cells known as stem cells which are currently the hot topic in the abortion arguments are cells of the body which contain all the genetic information of the new organism what happens in the body for these similar cells to become all the different cells of the body is a process known as differentiation...essentially what happens is that some genes controlling certain phenotypes (physical characteristics) are for all intents and purposes...switched on or off what would happen if the cells which differentiate were to be mutated and what would cause them well there are several known and proven causes of DNA mutation...alpha and beta radiation are damaging if ingested (skin usually offers aqequate protection against alpha waves though hence they need to be ingested through the digestive of respiratory systems) there are also many chemical mutagens for example asbestos how do these mutations affect DNA and the outcome of characteristics? there are several different types of mutations which can cause potentially massive changes to the physical appearance of the offspring (this is helpful in order to randomise the genetic base of the species and maintain a healthy gene pool) but can also lead to unusual physical properties types of genetic mutations are inversion deletion insertion translocation substitution definition can be found here  onto the specific question about humans growing wings there are several genetic mutations which can result in changes to the long bones of the body (found in the arms and legs)...an example of these mutations are achondroplasia what if a mutation occured that promoted an over growth of the long bones of the body during child hood resulting in over grown arms couple this with a mutation of the genes that code for epidermal cells and instead of skin...promote the grown of a feather of scale like coating (very similar in genetic terms) this would then result in a human having a wing like characteristic i am not saying that they would be able to fly because the reat of the human bone and internal organ structure would most likely be too heavy to be lifted by these wing like appendices if these wings made the person more likely to survive and pass on their DNA so that the wing trait was passed on...then its possible that the trait may continue the only problem in terms of human evolution is that people make choices based on appearance rather than beneficial survival characteristics...and who wants to fuck a guy/girl with big daft wings 
but essentially that's how it could happen...whether or not it has is another matter entirely from the linked article Quote: Scientists have also come to believe that extra appendages created by such mutations evolved into other useful things for organisms. Because the organism still possesses all of the appendages it needs to function, the extra are free to evolve into whatever benefits the organism the most. For instance, some scientists have proposed that insect wings could have evolved from spare leg segments (1).
This new information on the importance of genetic mutation relating to evolution disproves the creationist claim that organisms cannot develop step by step from genetic mutation. With current scientific research, the evidence strongly supports the conclusion that this is exactly what happened. posted by the anomaly |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsCreationism vs Evolution |
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Quote: "The intelligent principle of Gaia" and as we know from out experiences of "gaia" that intelligent principle is non existent
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anomaly: scientific and valid argument for evolution knn: evolution is impossible anomaly: another scientific and valid argument for evolution knn: evolution is impossible anomaly: yet another scientific argument for evolution with evidence and links and stuff knn: evolution is impossible...links to a religious nutters site v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v 3 months later anomaly: puts forward another argument for evolution knn: evolution is impossible do you think its time to call it quits on this one yet?
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 the anomaly: there are several genetic mutations which can result in changes to the long bones of the body (found in the arms and legs)... Microevolution/Micromutation the anomaly: achondroplasia Is an illness and would be suppressed by selection that you love so much. the anomaly: couple this with a mutation of the genes that code for epidermal cells and instead of skin...promote the grown of a feather of scale like coating (very similar in genetic terms) ARGH! Anomaly, are you trying to fool me? THAT is the very question you are restating. I am asking you how the feather/wing genes come into the DNA. All you do is saying "Then it happens that wings grow".  Sounds like creationism to me.
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the anomaly: anomaly: scientific and valid argument for evolution
knn: evolution is impossible Don't distort the thread. Evolution is possible but not by random radioactivity/viruses. The same way as houses are possible but not by wind. posted by knn |
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Drew: This site explains everything about creationism.
Best site of all.  Biblical answers to all following topics and more: > Anthropology (human ancestry, alleged ape-men) > Archaeology > Astronomy and Astrophysics > Countering the Critics > Creation Scientists (and other biographies) > Creation: Why It Matters > Darwin, Charles > Dinosaurs > Embryonic Recapitulation and Similarities > Flood > Fossils > Galileo, Geocentrism, and Joshua's Long Day > Genesis > Genetics > Geology > God > History > Ice Age > Mammoths > Mutations > Natural Selection > Noah’s Ark > Origin of Life > Plate Tectonics > Racism > Radiometric Dating > Religion (humanism, etc.) > Science > Scopes Trial > Speciation > ‘Vestigial’ Organs > Young Age Evidence well drew...i think we can take that site with a pinch of salt have you bothered to read this article  basically it blames evolutionary thinking for racism well...im sorry...but there is far more prejudice on the planet as a result of religious intolerance than there is through evolutionary thinking the site is generally utter guff and gives no evidence for creationism at all... posted by the anomaly |
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the anomaly: Scientists have also come to believe that extra appendages created by such mutations evolved into other useful things for organisms. Because the organism still possesses all of the appendages it needs to function, the extra are free to evolve into whatever benefits the organism the most. For instance, some scientists have proposed that insect wings could have evolved from spare leg segments OK, OK, but not by randomity. the anomaly: and as we know from out experiences of "gaia" that intelligent principle is non existent If selection exists, why can GaiaOnline survive?
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the anomaly: the site is generally utter guff and gives no evidence for creationism at all... Not utter, but pretty. Actually I must agree, that these Pro-Creationism websites make it very easy to become pro-evolution. They always lead to their faith based assumptions "Jesus created everything". But please take a step back, breathe through and let me repeat: The current scientific theory on evolution IS flawed because it relies on randomity. The flaw exists independently of any claims that a god did it or not. This one is better:  posted by knn |
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Quote: White laugh If selection exists, why can GaiaOnline survive? DAMN...you win
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Quote: Is an illness its not an illness...its a trait caused by a genetic mutation Quote: But please take a step back, breathe through and let me repeat: The current scientific theory on evolution IS bugged indeed because it relies on randomity. alot of it does rely on random mutations...but that's when the rest of the non genetic factors influence whether the random mutation continues of not many mutations that are not beneficial don't get passed the foetal stage of development many other genetic mutations are also coulpled with infertility if they are not beneficial...hence they are selected out some genetic mutations that are not beneficial result in premature death so that the gene is not passed on but then other mutations while having a seemingly non beneficial effect such as sickle cell anemia...actually provide other benefits...in this case...a stronger resistence to severe malaria...hence the trait of sickle cell anemia continues in countries where malaria is common...yet is almost non existant in unaffected countries the opposite is true when a beneficial trait comes into being...if it gives the mutated organism a better adaptation to its enviroment ( a giraffe with a longer neck can reach higher into trees during food shortages due to drought or some other factor...the other shorter necked giraffes may die out...the lonf necked one survives to pass on its gene for the long neck) yes this is micro evolution...but it shows how a trait can survive posted by the anomaly |
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the anomaly: its not an illness...its a trait Give me a freaking break. If the pic below of an achondroplasia kid is your hardest proof of evolutionary mutations then this alone makes me a believer in divine creation. the anomaly: yes this is micro evolution...but it shows how a trait can survive Exactly, microevolution. Small mutations. Big dogs and small dogs. Yellow daisies and orange daisies. Thus not answering the question how humans can get wings without being eradicated on the way of getting them. the anomaly: many mutations that are not beneficial don't get passed the foetal stage of development
many other genetic mutations are also coulpled with infertility if they are not beneficial...hence they are selected out That's only half of the truth. NEARLY ALL mutation have no effect or are harmful. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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Quote: but some what skewed read and once again it not pro creation but merely anti evolution its also very choosy in the evidence it puts forward that can be agaisnt evolution...and as such ignores hage amounts of evidence from many renowned scientists that would discard his article posted by the anomaly |
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the anomaly: huge amounts of evidence from many renowned scientists There is evidence that random evolution works? Where? posted by knn |
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Quote: Give me a freaking break. If the pic below of an achondroplasia kid is your hardest proof of evolutionary mutations then this alone makes me a believer in divine creation. you just love taking things utterly out of context don't you i was not putting forward achondraplasia are evidence of evolution i was stating the fact that there are real and proven mutations that affect the development of long bones...just so i could educate your ignorant mind that these types of mutations are not theoretical but in fact to actually happen you wanted a human with wings...to do it you need to change the structure of the long bones and the development of skin cells the proven genetic changes i mentioned earlier can do both and so could possilby result in your obsession for humans with wings besides...your a god lover...hence you must beleive in angels...they are people with wings...and so if christianity says they exist...then i suppose they must then eh?
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knn: the anomaly: huge amounts of evidence from many renowned scientists There is evidence that random evolution works? Where? randomization is not only reality in evolution...but is actually essential to the survival of all species and their continual evolution  posted by the anomaly |
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