»Zero divided by zero... what is it?«
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 Register first to vote here. posted by knn |
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I personally believe that I have to choose 0:0 = 0 Why? Because 1) No matter how infinitely big something is, if it's not there (0 times) it's not there 2) 243/243 means 243 times out of 243 times (= in 100% of cases). 200/400 means 200 times out of 400 times (= in 50% of cases). 0/0 means 0 times out of 0 times and no human would say "In 100% of the cases", instead the human way to put it is "0 times" or "It never happened". You wouldn't ever say "It always happened" or even "In infinite time of cases" "Hey, I never won the Miss Universe contest. I didn't even take part" (0/0) -> "Well you have won each time then" posted by knn |
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 The answer varies depending on how you define the function of divide. Knn suggests that is means "out of", but that's not the only way to interpret it. Another popular interpretation is "goes into" and the thinking works like a box - the number before the divide represents the box capacity, the number after what you put in. 100 / 4 - You can put 4 into a hundred box 25 times until it's full Using knn's example of 200/400 - in this case the stuff you're putting in (400) is bigger than the box capacity (200). The answer is 0.5 because you can only get half of it in there. This is the source of the infinity answer - you can put nothing into any sized box an infinate amount of times 'cos it never gets fuller. But herein lies the twist. The problem is about the filling not the full. The trigger to the answer is the box getting full, but a box of capacity zero is already full so in theory you you can't put anything into a zero sized box, no matter how small. Hence the answer Zero. This is question that has plagued mathemeticians for centuries so I'm gonna have to solve it. Just not right away  knn: "Hey, I never won the Miss Universe contest. I didn't even take part" (0/0) -> "Well you have won each time then" Like it or not this is still a 100% success rate - even though we might not think of it that way. The reason we don't all wear tiaras is that they get 'round this little connundrum by making entering a condition of winning. So an entry rate of zero only loses on a technicality
posted by Marl64 |
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Quote: Like it or not this is still a 100% success rate - even though we might not think of it that way. Or a 100% failure rate. posted by knn |
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I don't know. But if you choose a limited frame of reference, you can get answers depending on your frame of reference. In Newtonian domain (everyday sense), absolute zero is a concept but not everyday reality. It is impossible to create a perfect vacuum. Some finite mass is always left there. So Zero is jut very small yet finite number beyond our least count.This approximates our equation to: 0/0 = X0/X0 (X0 is not absolute zero, but a very very small finite number) = 1 In Quantum sense, it can be seen as probability and absolute zero does exist as 'impossibility'. This reduces the equation to 0/0 = (0)*(1/0) = Zero percent probability * 100% probability = Zero overall probability = 0 If we are dealing with space with huge mass energy interconversion's (e=mc2) like those in black holes. 0/0 = (0) * (1/0) = (No mass, but all energy, light rays) * (infinite mass but no light escaping like in black hole) = (infinite mass-energy complex)*(infinite mass-energy complex) = infinite mass-energy complex 0/0= infinity posted by blueSky |
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 im not a moth wizz but i know that 0 devided by 0 is 0 that's it posted by Agent Zero |
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 This is a question like the Buddhist monks have to ponder about "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" Sorry too irrelevant to life for me to answer this question. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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Quote: This is a question like the Buddhist monks have to ponder about "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" 
Good one! posted by knn |
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 nocturnal_anonymous: This is a question like the Buddhist monks have to ponder about "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
Sorry too irrelevant to life for me to answer this question. you can clap with one hand so that question is void 
i also went with 0/0=0 and i don't agree with marl or knns analogy of 100% success rate and 100% failure rate, you never entered the compitition therefore your success rate is 0, same for the failure rate, how can you suceed or fail in something you never entered? posted by The ONEder Man |
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 Here, suss this one... Does 0.9r(r=recursive)=1? posted by Crossfade |
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 Crossfade: Here, suss this one...
Does 0.9r(r=recursive)=1? Approximately
posted by Marl64 |
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Marl64: Crossfade: Here, suss this one...
Does 0.9r(r=recursive)=1? Approximately Now are you sure about that?
posted by Crossfade |
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OK, you want a sensible answer - yeah some hope on here Crossfade: Here, suss this one...
Does 0.9r(r=recursive)=1? Only when the number of 9's (r) reaches infinity, but not before. 
At this point the, difference (1 - 0.9r) would be zero. Approximately
posted by Marl64 |
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But even with 9r to infinity it will never equal 1 surely? posted by Crossfade |
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Crossfade: But even with 9r to infinity it will never equal 1 surely? As soon as you reach infinity, a lot of things become what they're not supposed to be 
That's why mathemeticians won't let us get there, they've engineered maths to stop us ever seeing it. It's a kind of safety net to prevent the collapse of the publishing industry at the hands of primates with access to "Office World".
posted by Marl64 |
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