»What are the best Star Trek series?«
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 Wow Star Trek Rules in general! there should be a post to rank the 10 movies 6 months ago i got Star Trek Deep Space Nine on DVD all 7 seasons. IT IS AWSOME. Sisco is so cool and so intimidating! Worf is the most badass character ever in Trek. And sooooo many good supporting characters and villains! Like Dukat and Garak! and the Mirror Universe. DS9 is undisputed. i love next generation and the original but DS9 is flat out best. Voyager was up to ok by the 5-7 seasons Enterprise just sucks. they have had maybe 3 or 4 good episodes- Twilight was a good one, and some of the ones with the Andorians were cool, but in general it just isnt as good. But, all star trek is good and i love them all like a parent- even if Enterprise is a mentally challenged freckled red-headed step child, which it is, i am still sad to see it cancelled  posted by FrogTrain |
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FrogTrain: ... DS9 is undisputed.
i love next generation and the original but DS9 is flat out best. Voyager was up to ok by the 5-7 seasons Enterprise just sucks. they have had maybe 3 or 4 good episodes- Twilight was a good one, and some of the ones with the Andorians were cool, but in general it just isnt as good. But, all star trek is good and i love them all like a parent- even if Enterprise is a mentally challenged freckled red-headed step child, which it is, i am still sad to see it cancelled In my opinion, what makes a show great is variety and it's ability to explore new ideas, this could be applied to any show, but especially for the five Star Trek series TOS [1966-1969] was great for it's day, and I have some amount of respect for it, but I can't stand to watch it anymore. It's just too campy and thinly plotted, but again, it was great for it's day, even though it got cancelled after just 3 seasons TNG [1987-1994] was also good for it's time, there is a definite point somewhere early in the series where the shows all got better, if I recall, it coincided with them switching to better cameras, instead of the soap-opera quality ones they were using. I've seen every episode several times, so again, I don't go out of my way to watch it anymore, but if it's on while channel surfing, I'd stop. They did a much better job of keeping story lines straight, and maintaining story arcs across multiple seasons, not to mention the introduction of Q, from the pilot through the series finale. They did a good job with variety, they were explorers, warriors, and they were close enough to home to introduce some intersting policitcal/social dealings. I see this show as the official foundation to DS9 and Voyager. DS9 [1993-1999] I admit, I didn't give this show a fair chance when it first aired and was still in production. The occasional show I'd see I watched passively at best. I recently also got ahold of the entire series, every episode, and started re-watching them all from the pilot, I am still not done, but I see the show in a different light, it's definitely a lot better for me now for some reason. They do a good job of exploring new ideas, and access to the Gamma Quadrant seemed to allow the introduction of a lot of new material. I am still not the biggest fan of the spiritual aspects introduced via the prophets and all that, but the show makes up for it by developing characters to the point that you think you know them, even characters like Morn. I originally thought the reintroduction of Worf was just weak because Michael Dorn couldn't get work elsewhere, but his establishment on the show seemed to add to it. I like DS9 better than TNG, but keep in mind that DS9 wouldn't be half as developed if not for TNG Voyager [1995-2001] By far my favorite of all the series, almost everything on the show was new, or at least seemed that way since they were so far from Earth. Not really quite sure if you could call this show a spin off of TNG or DS9, since it carries stong theme elements from each. They still managed to incorporate Q, the Klingons, Cardassians, Vulcan spiritualism, and of course, the Borg, all of which came from DS9 and TNG, but rather than copying from previous shows, simply added to them. I didn't like the show for the first 2 or 3 seasons, it seems they were farting around with the Kazon too much, but after the addition of Seven of Nine, the removal of Kes, and the further development of the Doctor the show finally met my expectations. The Fair Haven story arc was a waste of time, but the Borg episodes make up for it, developing that multi-series arc a great deal. I however, was greatly disappointed by the finale, I think the time-travel elements were weak, and I think they could have done a better job, while still keeping some main plot elements without it. That brings me to my next point: Enterprise [2001-2005?] This show had promise. Almost all of season 3 was retarded, fuckin around with the Xindi in this ever-thickening time-travel changing story arc that left the viewer almost where they left off at the beginning. Season 4 seems to be a bit better, but we may never know how good this should could have been. It seems that every Star Trek bettered with time. The first 2 or 3 seasons are there for groundwork, and they don't get good till the second half or so. Maybe TOS could have been better had it lasted past 3 years? Enterprise disappointed me for so long, that their recent improvements to the show seem to be too-little-too-late for me as well as most viewers of the show, hence their cancellation. If you like Star Trek, or even if you don't, you should definitely try watching some Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, or Battlestar Galactica. There's always some common elements between SciFi shows, but Stargate set in present day, with strong attempts at being realistic is a far better choice, but again, it will take a season or two for it to grow on you. I thought the idea of a Stargate show was retarded when I first heard of it, but now, the Stargate series are among my favorites, far above any Star Treks. Stargate SG-1 has signed on for it's NINTH season, and Stargate Atlantis is still in it's first. Battlestar Galactica, although a remake of the 1978 show, is probably the BEST SciFi show I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot. There's only 13 episodes in the first season, but the pilot is 4 hours long. (I've seen them all) Even though Earth is mentioned as their destination, or rather, their only hope for survival, the show is entirely set outside of the Earth-Human sphere of experience, even though much of the technology is extremely similar, and extremely realistic, everything is just different enough to be alien, but not to different as to alienate. It seems like the makers of Battlestar Galactica learned through everyone else's mistakes, including StarTrek and Stargate, to make the best show ever. -Check it out! posted by GuyFromOH |
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 GuyFromOH: it seems they were farting around with the Kazon too much  GuyFromOH: but after the addition of Seven of Nine *thirst* GuyFromOH: It seems that every Star Trek bettered with time. I think they make surveys amongst the fans to check what character/theme they like and then concentrate on it. posted by knn |
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knn: GuyFromOH: but after the addition of Seven of Nine *thirst* I'm pretty sure her breasts tell the story there, add some big-tittied chick to boost ratings. Who would have thought her character was one of the most interesting, her physical attributes not withstanding... knn: GuyFromOH: It seems that every Star Trek bettered with time. I think they make surveys amongst the fans to check what character/theme they like and then concentrate on it. That could be, although there is a possibility that people have to get to know the characters for a while before they start actually being interested in them... posted by GuyFromOH |
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 DS9 was the best! I used to love Voyager but it gets kinda boring fast, I guess. Hm, they're still wandering around the delta quad, what a surprise 
TNG was pretty good too, I liked it. But TOS wasn't great, and Enterprise flat out sucked. It really did. That guy belonged back in quantum leap! But yes, DS9 <3 posted by bluewolf |
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 The Next Generation > Everything. posted by northern_james |
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 GuyFromOH: DS9 [1993-1999]...I am still not the biggest fan of the spiritual aspects introduced via the prophets and all that... Well, I can actually get interested in deities that actually show proof of their existence! The Prophets/Wormhole Aliens exist, have godlike abilities, care about the Bajorans, etc... They have real enemies, the Pah-Wraiths, that are nearly as powerful as them and could destroy them and everyone else given a chance. (at least until the event of the finale  )
I enjoy the concept of advanced beings. Beings of energy. Beings with amazing abilities. It allows us humans to dream. That is why the character of Q is so popular, as well as all the episodes of Star Trek that deal w/ advanced beings. So... why in the shit do they never put one in a damn TNG movie? Berman and the paramount morons can't figure out why the recent movies have sucked, and it's because they were just decent 2 part episodes at best! They need to be bigger in scope! Just about everyone it seems would love to have a movie with Q. Star Trek 1 was great w/ the big unknown entity. Star Trek 5 was "ok" in concept, but is pretty much the worst of the bunch. Any other thoughts/disagreements? posted by volonteshiva |
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volonteshiva: Berman and the paramount morons can't figure out why the recent movies have sucked, and it's because they were just decent 2 part episodes at best Let's go to that one place, kill and impersonate Berman and Braga, and totally make the next few movies... posted by GuyFromOH |
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Well, GuyfromOH, i have to agree with you that Battlestar Galactica is the best sci-fi show on television right now, but i don't think it is a good as star trek  That being said, B. G. is really cool. It has great special effects and a great epic story line. I like Battlestar for the same reason i like The Terminator, the Matrix, etc. -humanity fighting for survival against the machines they created. Battlestar is kind of like the ancient poem the Aeneid also (i highly recommend) in that the homeland is destroyed by merciless invaders and the survivors must flee to a new home. Problem is, i don't like the battlestar characters so much, Starbuck is ok, but is maybe a little too much "Girl Power" for me. Apollo is to much of an adolescent filled with angst and insecurity rather than the charismatic adventurous leader he is supposed to be. And the scientist who escaped is a loser too. On the positive side, Captain Adama and the president are very believable and are excellent actors. Battlestar definitley will get better the longer it goes on i think- theyd better not prematurely cancel it!
If you are watching DS9 all the way through for the first time, make sure you pay attention to the supporting characters and the villains- Garak, Rom, Nog, Dukat, Weyoun, Sloan (in season 7 only), Eddington- they are very compelling and complex figures (well not Rom i guess lol). Dukat is the perfect cypher and foil for Sisco, sort of the Anti-Emissary, the Hitler to Sisco's Churchill kind of. (I love Churchill as you can see) And Garak is such a fascinating and unpredictable guy with a unique and devilish perspective on stuff. And DS9 wasnt really good until at least season 3 and was best in season 5-7. Voyager def sucked at first, but got alot better even though i didn't like most of the characters. Neelix, Kes, Naomi, Chakotay, Tuvok, B'Lana Torres all added nothing and were boring and unwatchable. BUT. it got better and 7 of 9 was a big plus. I actually really liked the Voyager finally, cause it pitted the fate of the galaxy (crippling the Borg) with the Federation's values (don't use technolgy from the future or try to wipe out a race, Prime Directive) And the Borg queen is wonderfully evil. It reminded me of and raised alot of the same issues as the TNG episode I, Borg, only this time Voyager says fuck the rules, we are gonna do wats right and strike the Borg and make a break for home! And lest i forget some sweet battles and visuals! "Maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey." -Ensign Harry Kim posted by FrogTrain |
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FrogTrain: "Maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey." -Ensign Harry Kim One of the lamest lines by Harry since he was the last one to finally stop bitching! You are in new, uncharted areas, freakin' explore and like it already! posted by volonteshiva |
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 GuyFromOH: Crossfade: ..digging Enterprise, the last series was the best i have seen out of all the treks and that's saying something. Great effects, great acting and brilliant stories. Just hope they can convince everyone to keep it running. TNG didn't pick up to the forth series! Good riddance to Enterprise by the way, maybe in a few years another series will come out and they will do it right. Yeah thanks for that 
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volonteshiva: FrogTrain: "Maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey." -Ensign Harry Kim One of the lamest lines by Harry since he was the last one to finally stop bitching! You are in new, uncharted areas, freakin' explore and like it already! I never could quite relate to his whole "I wanna go home and see my parents, waaaah, waaaah" attitude. I'd only want to go back to Earth when the women supply had run out... posted by GuyFromOH |
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fine the quote was lame, but harry kim isnt as bad as alot the the voyager characters like blana torres, neelix, kes, chakotay, tuvo posted by FrogTrain |
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FrogTrain: fine the quote was lame, but harry kim isnt as bad as alot the the voyager characters like blana torres, neelix, kes, chakotay, tuvo B'Elanna was ok, but she could have been cast better Neelix was a waste of time, but good for small doses of comic relief Kes was worthless, that's why they got rid of her Chakotay could have done more, he was always just standing behind Janeway so to speak. Tuvok was actually good, he did his part to the right level you would expect. posted by GuyFromOH |
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 Paramount has decided to stop "Enterprise" (the one with Capt. Archer) after the 4 seasons (100 episodes) due to audience disinterest. However, STar Trek fans all over the world want to donate money to keep the series going.  TrekUnited.com today announced that three anonymous contributors have stepped forward with a $3 million pledge toward the campaign to ensure a fifth season for the recently cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise.
Paramount Network Television and the United Paramount Network (UPN) jointly announced on Feb. 3 that this would be the last season of Enterprise on UPN. Fans pooled their skills, time and finances to form TrekUnited.com in an effort to fight the decision by raising money themselves to pay for a fifth season of the on-going space adventure. posted by knn |
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