»Iran's Ayatollahs would vote for Bush«
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 Quote: Consider how the U.S. reacted to 911, the suffering was accompanied by anger and hatred for those responsible. Suggested reasons why they were attacked, The correct reasons (foreign policy etc) were suppressed and diminished to the simple minded formula "They are nuts, they hate America" or something of the sort. Quote: Very rarely (if ever) does aggression inspire peace, more likely it just produces more hatred and desire for revenge. That's even an understatement. In experiments the "revenge" consists of "repayment"+38%. There you go, dwindling spiral... posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqIran's Ayatollahs would vote for Bush |
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 Quote: It is always interesting to read the Bush supporters accuse Kerry of the things that Bush is already doing. lets look at kerry's own words "a more thoughtful war on terror" given that the 2 ways to deal with terrorism are a zero tolerance policy like bush...or to pander to their whims...which is what kerry seems to be proposing in that statement you seem to think that islamic fundamentalists hate the west because of the aggression in the middle east and the support for israel when this is not the case...they hate our way of life...they hate our freedom...they hate our societies sexual liberation...they hate capatalism(although seem happy to benefit from it) should we cast aside our freedoms to stop these people from hating us?...no...never...as they would simply find another reason to hate the west are you willing to give up your way of life to appease cowards who encourage others to kill themselves for a cause that they are not willing to die for themselves? posted by the anomaly |
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 Quote: which is what kerry seems to be proposing in that statement I watched all 4 debates and I couldn't see 1 sentence where he seems to propose a "weaker" way. Quite the contrary, NOW under Bush the military is weakened. Now under Bush Usama is free. Now under Bush terrorism is growing. Kerry pointed out some interesting facts about the ill-handling of the threat under Bush. posted by knn |
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Quote: I watched all 4 debates ...good for you...but it wasnt in the debates...he said it at a democratic conference democrats...what will they do...cut military spending as they always do you should ask the military what really weakens them...and its lack of funding...bush increased the defence budget considerably you forgot that now under bush most of the al queda leaders are dead or have been captured...now under bush they no longer have an extensive training capability... posted by the anomaly |
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 the anomaly: the 2 ways to deal with terrorism are a zero tolerance policy like bush...or to pander to their whims...which is what kerry seems to be proposing Ok, let's rephrase this with the bias shifted to the other side Let's change "Zero Tolerance" to "Agressive stance against potential threats" and "pander to their whims" to "consider other options" And while we're at it, let's change "Terrorism" to "Anything we feel threatened by" And we get Quote: the 2 ways to deal with anything we feel threatened by are an agressive stance against potential threats like bush...or to consider other options ...which is what kerry seems to be proposing No less accurate, just a different slant. posted by Marl64 |
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Quote: ...good for you...but it wasnt in the debates...he said it at a democratic conference What exactly did he say? Quote: bush increased the defence budget considerably Hell, yeah, he had to due to his bad coalition making and spying on the UN. And he will need to increase it a hell lotta more. And guess where the money is coming from? Your left pocket. Your right pocket is already empty. Quote: you forgot that now under bush most of the al queda leaders are dead or have been captured... This is another fabricated Republican spin. They don't talk about Al-Qaeda. They talk about Al-Qaeda as it was known 9/11. 75% are captured. So what? Since then Al-Qaeda grew far bigger with new leaders. That "Rep Spin" was debunked on CNN. posted by knn |
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Quote: making and spying on the UN. ...once again...that was us brits that bugged the UN Quote: What exactly did he say? i beleive that quote was "its time for a more thoughtful war on terror" Quote: Since then Al-Qaeda grew far bigger with new leaders. proof?...is there a members list somewhere? perhaps sympathy grew for them because of anger at military mistakes...but these innocent people know that evil terrorists hide among them...so why not do something about it rather than risk the wrath of the US? as for more people joining al queda...up to them...they can get fuckin bombed off the face of the earth as well...and if more join then more can get bombed...because the alternative is to give in to the demands of the terrorists and to do so is insulting to all the people who have died at the hands of cowardly scum like bin laden Quote: "consider other options" ...what other options...there is no other viable option that can be accepted by a free society because it would mean the appeasment of terrorists... are you seriously considering being acceptive of the mentality that democracy should be destroyed and oppressed... what it boils down to is would you live in a society governed by the ways of fundamentalist islam...where women are beaten and murdered for daring to learn things... the terrorists will not alter their perception of the west until that is the society that exists and the west will never exist in that kind of manner so unless you can find a middle ground(or rather create that middle ground) that both sides will accept then there will always be the war unless we take a stand to wipe them out...and im all for that 
posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: ...once again...that was us brits that bugged the UN  Quote: i beleive that quote was "its time for a more thoughtful war on terror" What the heck is wrong with thoughtful? Would you agree to "its time for a more dumb war on terror"? I don't think so. Do you mean this: When Mr Kerry was asked if the colour-coded system would stay under a Kerry presidency. He answered: "No. I'm going to find a more thoughtful way of alerting America."  Or this: In a speech critical of President Bush’s war against terror, Senator Kerry pledged to "fight a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more sensitive war on terror that reaches out to other nations and brings them to our side and lives up to American values in history."  I cannot see anything (ANYTHING!) wrong with what he said. Thoughtful doesn't mean less powerful or less deadly. posted by knn |
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yes...the second one and to me it means being more sensitive and kind and blah blah liberal touchy feely crap that will have al queda pissing their pants with laughter posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: and to me it means being more sensitive and kind and blah blah liberal touchy feely crap that will have al queda pissing their pants with laughter Yes, that's the power of Bush's black-white talk: "We destroy them and make no difference", "Abortion is bad each- and everywhere!". Powerful (but self-destructive). While the realistic approach of Kerry sounds weak (although it is more true and more effective). Fox news! posted by knn |
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al queda resent the liberalism of the west...they hate our freedoms and our social behaviours the democrats are considered more liberal and tolerant of these kinds of social behaviours than the republicans so isnt voting republican(christian values of marriage etc) more in line with the doctrine of the fundamentalist islamic groups so vote democrat...piss off al queda even more posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: al queda resent the liberalism of the west...they hate our freedoms and our social behaviours That is another Republican spin. Where is the proof? Usama Bin Laden's video messages talk another language. He accuses the US of helping manlslaughtering poor Muslims (with Israel). Something like "indecency" is mentioned merely in side sentences. They don't want a Muslim world order (OK, maybe some minority does). They want revenge for the yearlong suppression/killing. This "They hate us because we have Hollywood" is an unreflected fairy-tale. Even extremist Muslims in Egypt love James Bond and Terminator. posted by knn |
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if you look into the background of the sept 11th hijackers you will see that the people who knew them spoke of their hatred for,in particular,the way western women are sexually active...it is these kind of ideals that al queda hate the most... posted by the anomaly |
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 its true they hate everything about the western world. clothes, music, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and just about every freedom we have they hate. they hate the western world including most of europe. why cant you see that? posted by Agent Zero |
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Quote: its true they hate everything about the western world. clothes, music, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and just about every freedom we have they hate. they hate the western world including most of europe. why cant you see that? Another unproved statement. It's simply not true. Most of the hijackers were well-educated and have even studied and have their diploma. Agent Zero, where do you get your "anti-knowledge" from? I can't remember a single post where you have stated something based on FACTS. posted by knn |
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