»Iran's Ayatollahs would vote for Bush«
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 Quote: if you look into the background of the sept 11th hijackers you will see that the people who knew them spoke of their hatred for,in particular,the way western women are sexually active... So what? I may hate how fat Indian women are. That doesn't make me fly into buildings. But watching Indians slaughtering my people for years can do that. Then in an interview I am asked what I hate about India. And I say "They are murderers and their women are fat". Doesn't mean a thing. It's NOT the main cause. It's just a very easy "black-white" reason, to justify why US wars are just and nothing about US behaviour can be changed. Just a lame US excuse "They hate us because of our music". Just lame and not true. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqIran's Ayatollahs would vote for Bush |
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 hows al-quida treating you knn? do you get health benefits? posted by Agent Zero |
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 Quote: Another unproved statement. its not unproven...its the way they are...they admit themselves... the conflicts are just an excuse to kill westerners...and when there isnt a conflict going on...they try to instigate one with terrorism Quote: So what? I may hate how fat Indian women are. That doesn't make me fly into buildings. and that's the difference between us and them...they believe that it is the western way of life that is responsible for all the ills of the islamic world...where as if they got off there asses and did something to improve their situation instead of trying to blame others for their own problems then maybe they would get somewhere their goal is to turn the world into an islamofacist state...they hate you and they hate your way of life...they hate everything about western culture and the only way to stop them without war is to be one of them...are you willing to do that for peace? i for one am not...i will forever be against the sick doctrine that these idiots preach even if you are not... i can only imagine the situation in 1939 if as many people had the opinion of "leave the nazis alone and don't provoke them and we will be ok" selfish attitude that people seem to have now posted by the anomaly |
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 Quote: its true they hate everything about the western world. clothes, music, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and just about every freedom we have they hate. they hate the western world including most of europe. why cant you see that? USAma bin Laden disagrees on his newest video message: "We too love freedom. If we hated freedom we would have attacked Sweden". I hope this stops this nonsense that 9/11 has nothing to do with the foreign policy ofd the United States. posted by knn |
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 Quote: If we hated freedom we would have attacked Sweden". now that's a good idea a press conference in 1998 held by al qaeda in which american journalists attended at this conference a spokesman for al qaeda stated that anyone who participates in democracy or politics of any kind is trying to take the power that belongs only to allah...muslims or not...they are to be regarded as non believers and are to be killed the reason for the focus on america is that they were to be seen as the origin of the corruption that is politics(not corruptions IN politics but politics itself) posted by the anomaly |
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 Quote: at this conference a spokesman for al qaeda 1) Proof? Link? Transcript? 2) Not everyone who talks is a spokesman. Quote: the reason for the focus on america is that they were to be seen as the origin of the corruption that is politics(not corruptions IN politics but politics itself) Proof? So far only the US (and allies) have been attacked. Bin Laden reconfirmed that it's because of US supoort for Israel. And I believe him, that this is the main reason. The Israel-Palestine conflict is the major crystallization point of hatred. posted by knn |
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Quote: you don't do much research do you Where is the transcript? Don't CLAIM that a SPOKEMAN said something 1998. Link it. posted by knn |
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i also happened to have watched the press conference last night as part of a documentary...and the spokesman was speaking english...so it wasnt to hard to understand posted by the anomaly |
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knn: Quote: you don't do much research do you Where is the transcript? Don't CLAIM that a SPOKEMAN said something 1998. Link it. its not a film script...they don't post transcripts of these things all over the net... posted by the anomaly |
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The Islamic Front for the struggle against the Jews and the Crusaders In February 1998, bin Ladin announced the formation of an umbrella organization called “The Islamic World Front for the struggle against the Jews and the Crusaders” (Al-Jabhah al-Islamiyyah al-`Alamiyyah li-Qital al-Yahud wal-Salibiyyin) Among the members of this organization are the Egyptian al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya and the Egyptian al-Jihad. Both of these groups were have been active in terrorism over the past decade. (see Attacks of al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya and al-Jihad). The founder members of the Front include, besides bin Ladin; Dr. Ayman al- Zawahiri, leader of the Egyptian Jihad; Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group. The Islamic Group is linked with the al-Dir al-Bahri massacre in Luxor in November 1997,which claimed the lives of 58 tourists; and some leaders of extremist fundamentalist movements in Pakistan. On May 28, 1998 the Islamabad daily, The News reported that Osama bin Ladin had announced the formation of an International Islamic Front for Jihad against America and Israel. Talking to a group of journalists who had traveled from Pakistan to meet him at his base in Khost in southern Afghanistan, he said leaders of Islamic movements in several countries, including Pakistan had evinced interest in joining the front. He stated that Dr Aiman Al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jamaat-ul-Jihad in Egypt who was present at the time, had played a crucial role in launching the front. Bin Ladin justified the formation of the anti-American and anti-Israeli front by arguing that Muslims everywhere in the world were suffering at the hands of the U.S. and Israel. He said the Muslims must wage holy war against their real enemies not only to rid themselves of unpopular regimes backed by the Americans and Israelis but also protect their faith. When a reporter maintained that bin Ladin and his colleagues could not possibly take on the world's onlsuperpower, bin Ladin contended that the US was vulnerable and could be defeated in war. This would happen in the same way as the USSR suffered humiliation at the hands of the Afghan and Arab “mujahideen” in Afghanistan and was eventually dismembered On 14 May 1998, The London Al-Quds al-'Arabi published an article to the effect that clerics in Afghanistan had issued a fatwa stipulating the necessity to move U.S. forces out of the Gulf region. Addressing Muslims the world-over, the Afghan ulema said: “The enemies of Islam are not limited to a certain group or party; all atheists are enemies of Islam, and they take one another as friends.” The Afghan ulema declared “jihad -- based on the rules of the Shari'ah -- against the United States and its followers.” They urged Islamic governments to perform the duty of “armed jihad against the enemies of Islam,” pointing out that “if Muslims are lax in their responsibility, the enemies of Islam will occupy the two holy mosques as well, just as they occupied the al- Aqsa Mosque.” They stressed, in a statement attached to the fatwa, that: “This fatwa--with the evidence and the rulings issued by early and current ulema, on which it is based--is not merely a fatwa issued by the ulema of a Muslim country, but rather a religious fatwa that every Muslim should adopt and work under.” There are probably a few hundred Arab volunteers still living in Afghanistan. They are the leftovers of the several thousand Arabs who came to Afghanistan via Pakistan in the 1980s to take part in the “jihad” against the USSR's Red Army and the Afghan communists. Those left behind have nowhere else to go because they risk being caught should they venture to return home. No other country would be willing to accept them. In any case, present-day Afghanistan continues to be their safest hideaway. The ones who have returned to their countries have mostly joined the political and military struggle aimed at bringing an Islamic change there. Known as Arab-Afghans, these battle-hardened Islamists have come to be known as the most radical and dangerous of the fighters who have taken up arms against the Algerian and Egyptian governments. The Paris al-Watan al-'Arabi estimated on 26 June 1998, that “the fact that bin-Ladin has shown up again in the press clearly indicates his emergence as a leader of the revolutionary council that was eventually established.” According to the newspaper, a Dutch official who closely follows developments in the new Islamic Front, in cooperation with European organs, believes that relations were actually reorganized among the organizations--which used to cooperate and coordinate with each other on the organizational and logistical levels--on a new basis that gives an organizational working configuration to past relations. This is a new and important development. According to the Dutch official, this confirms the seriousness of this event, which requires larger and more accurate coordination between the European and U.S. authorities. It also calls for cooperation by some of the Middle Eastern authorities. The organizations whose membership in the Islamic Front was announced are the Egyptian Jihad, the Egyptian Armed Group, the Pakistan Scholars Society, the Partisans Movement in Kashmir, the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh, and the Afghan military wing of the “Advice and Reform” commission led by Osama bin Ladin. All these organizations once cooperated and coordinated with one another, but without any specific configuration or mechanism for such cooperation. Moreover, each of these organizations had freedom of action, and they determined their own objectives independently. Cooperation among these organizations was only at the level of “those who carry arms,” which is one of the organizational levels of each organization. There were no means of cooperation and coordination among “the people of the call,” another of the organizational levels. This is due to the fact that Afghanistan enhanced relations among the “carriers of arms” and created a kind of interpersonal cohesion. According to this evaluation, the threat posed by this new front is due to the fact that it combines all the organizational levels, by establishing a shura [consultative] council. According to most assessments, this council is led by Osama Bin Ladin. This increases the front's effectiveness. It can be said that the Islamic Front has now moved from the constituent and organizational phase to the operational phase. Al-Qaida is a network of many different fundamentalist organizations in diverse countries. The common factor in all these groups is the use of terrorism for the attainment of their political goals, and an agenda whose main priority is the overthrow of the “heretic governments” in their respective countries and the establishment of Islamic governments based on the rule of “Shariah.” Much of the driving philosophy behind al-Qaida was no doubt formed during the Afghan war of 79-89. Al-Qaida's leader, Osama bin Ladin came to see that conflict in the light of "Muslim believers vs. heretics." In his view, the term, "heretics" embraces the "pragmatic" Arab regimes (including his homeland, Saudi Arabia), and the United States, which he sees as taking over the Muslim holy sites of Mecca and Medina, and assisting the Jews in their conquest of Palestine. Throughout bin Ladin’s public statements and declarations runs one fundamental and predominant strategic goal: the expulsion of the American presence, military and civilian, from Saudi Arabia and the whole Gulf region. According to the “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” “the latest and the greatest of [the] aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet . . .is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places - the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of therevelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka'ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims - by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.” The declaration is presented as the first step in “correcting what had happened to the Islamic world in general, and the Land of the two Holy Places in particular. . . Today . . . the sons of the two Holy Places, have begun their Jihad in the cause of Allah, to expel the occupying enemy out of the country of the two Holy places.” In an interview with Nida’ul Islam several months later bin Ladin details the work that has been done in this direction: “There were important effects to the two explosions in Riyadh on both the internal and external aspects. Most important amongst these is the awareness of the people to the significance of the American occupation of the country of the two sacred mosques, and that the original decrees of the regime are a reflection of the wishes of the American occupiers. So the people became aware that their main problems were caused by the American occupiers and their puppets in the Saudi regime.” However, these terrorist attacks had a larger strategic importance, as bin Ladin reveals in the same interview: “. . . these missions also paved the way for the raising of the voices of opposition against the American occupation from within the ruling family and the armed forces; in fact we can say that the remaining Gulf countries have been effected to the same degree, and that the voices of opposition to the American occupation have begun to be heard at the level of the ruling families and the governments of the . . . Gulf countries.” Bin Ladin sees the new Islamic Front as the vehicle that will eventually vanguish the American enemy: “The movement is driving fast and light forward. And I am sure of our victory with Allah’s help against America and the Jews. . . After the Americans entered the Holy Land, many emotions were roused in the Muslim world, more than we have seen before. . .The co-operation is expanding between general supporters of this religion. From this effort, the International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders was formed, which we are a member of with other groups.” Bin Ladin's name has come up in connection with a number of terror attacks around the world, among them the attacks in Riyadh (November 95) and Dhahran (June 96), that left about 30 people dead. It is doubtful whether he had any direct connection with these two attacks. He is also implicated in the attacks on a Yeminite hotel (December 92) that injured several tourists; the assassination attempt on Egyptian president Mubarak in Ethiopia (June 95); the World Trade Center bombing (February 93) that killed 3 and injured hundreds; and the Somali attack on American forces that left hundreds wounded. The following list of American grievances against bin Ladin and his network was taken from a U.S. State Department Fact Sheet:
weeks." Although Osama bin Ladin is suspected of involvement in a whole string of terrorist attacks on American targets, it’s interesting to note that no one was able to produce incontrovertible proof that his hand was the one on the trigger. At least this was the case until the August 7th bombing of the American embassies in Nairobi and Dar-es-Salaam. The breakthrough in proving bin Ladin's role in that attack came on August 15th, 1998 when Mohammed Sadiq Odeh was arrested at Karachi International Airport in Pakistan. Odeh’s description of bin Ladin’s international network--and his role in the bombing of the American embassies--finally brought conclusive evidence of the extent of bin Ladin's activities. This provided the opportunity for the U.S. to put into play a whole stable of electronic eavesdropping measures from U.S. spy satellites and ground-based facilities. The U.S. had been trying for some time to “get connected” to bin Ladin’s network. The East Africa bombings provided them with the opportunity. Reportedly, the U.S. had intercepted communications linking bin Ladin to the bombings within a few days after they occurred, something that was impossible to attain in connection with previous attacks. On August 20, 1998, the U.S. military struck a number of facilities associated with bin Ladin's network. The targets included six training camps belonging to al-Qaida and a pharmaceuticals factory in Sudan which the intelligence sources suspected of producing components of chemical weapons. The American administration has since admitted that the attack on the factory was a mistake. posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: its not a film script...they don't post transcripts of these things all over the net... Sorry, I won't believe you then. posted by knn |
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You copy&paste post proves my point. USAma's fight is political. posted by knn |
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knn: Quote: its not a film script...they don't post transcripts of these things all over the net... Sorry, I won't believe you then. so im a liar now...if you don't want to accept it then fine...you should really do your own research on the background of al qaeda you say all their actions are against the US and its allies here is their political goal...as said by themselves Quote: Al-Qa'ida's goal is to unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs. Bin Ladin has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa'ida's goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt posted by the anomaly |
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Quote: so im a liar now... No, you aren't. Noone should believe me either without a proof/link. So far everything you posted proves MY point. They are NOT against US freedom. They are against US foreign behavior. Quote: here is their political goal...as said by themselves Exactly. A clear higher political goal. Not the manslaughtering monsters you describe them to be. Rather freedom fighters. I totally disagree with "a country run by Muslim principles". I don't want anything like that. But it's a clear higher goal: If the US would stop to support Israel Osama will withdraw. posted by knn |
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