»Prove that you didn't buy that gun«
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 I wanted to point out that the ultimatum that the US gave Iraq to prove that they did not have any weapons of mass destructions was in itself a vicious trick, that not many recognized immediately: How could you PROVE that you DID NOT do/have something? It's practically impossible! posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsBush, Kerry, IraqProve that you didn't buy that gun |
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 But there's more... Bush took this little "logic trap" a step further, when people queried his evidence, by adding "If you have proof that my evidence is false, bring it on" - difficult since he refused to share his evidence. --- Just before the Iraq War, I was a member of another board - based in the U.S. Most of the board members were extremely pro-war, convinced that since Saddam simply refused to prove he didn't have these weapons, he was asking for it. Logic did little to impact this view, so I used an example. Quote: Little Jonny's parents suspect he's started smoking. Convinced he's hiding cigs, they decide to search his room.
Finding nothing they conclude that Jonny must simply be better at hiding the Cigs than they are at finding them and so they decide to punish him anyway. Were they right to do this? The other forum members discussed this in a rational way and concluded that there was a chance his parents were right, but no proof of it. A few realised the similarity of the situations. I think I might have won over a few simply because they were looking at this scenario objectively, something they seemed unable to do with Iraq. And this is why in most legal systems, the burdon of proof remains with the accuser, not the accused. posted by Marl64 |
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US put Iraq under pressure to make sure that EVERY tiny bit of weapon is documented. Iraq complied and gave the (several thousand pages) report to the UN. But the US continued to complain again: Iraq wants to bomb us with facts. Sad, sad... whatever Iraq has done, was used to lead to war posted by knn |
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 its not hard to prove that, they should of let inspectors in but they didn't posted by Agent Zero |
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Quote: its not hard to prove that, they should of let inspectors in but they didn't They did. It's another propaganda, that they didn't. Where do you have that from that they didn't? posted by knn |
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I got it from the news when it was happening back a few years ago. when bush was trying to talk to the UN and the UN wa doing nothing about going in to inspect. posted by Agent Zero |
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Quote: I got it from the news when it was happening back a few years ago. when bush was trying to talk to the UN This is one of Bush's lies by the way. He told that Saddam has thrown the inspectors out, which was not true. But he just said it in TV and since then it is in the heads of voters like you. Show that you are better than Bush, Agent Zero, by reading this:  Another lie was that he said (yes he SAID it) that WMD have been found. posted by knn |
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Agent Zero, I can understand why certain politics and their media spin things, they benefit by all this. But what does the grassroot level person get? How far are we willing to go to support something to just to feel a rush of pride? We were wrong about WMDs and Al-Quida link . The administration has admitted this, the moment they set up investigation on this. Call it propaganda or intelligence failure, the fact remains that this has cost us now billions of $ and lives of our soldiers. And no matter what one's value system is, one thing is sure, the deaths and torture of innocents for all this, weighs most heavily. posted by Rod |
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 are you talking about the iraqi's with sadam in power? or the allied force innocents jounalists, workers etc? posted by The ONEder Man |
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he makes a good point. also you say the link was wrong, yah the link of pre 9.11 helping. but there is a strong link between the 2 after words. posted by Agent Zero |
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 Agent Zero: he makes a good point. also you say the link was wrong, yah the link of pre 9.11 helping. but there is a strong link between the 2 after words. Agent zero saddam was very compliant if he didn't let them in it would have been great for bush he could have bombed them on a crazy suspision but since he complied they had to make up all that crazy iraqui wellfare bullshit. which is bullshit how well off is iraqu now do you think posted by Kupov |
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 prove that you didn't buy that gun? why even the need...America can prove that iraq did buy that gun...as bill hicks said "iraq...incredible weapons...IN-CREDIBLE WEAPONS" "how dy'all know that?" "well...uuhhh...we looked at the receipt...and as soon as the cheque clears we're going in...what time does the bank open?...8?...we're going in at 9" posted by the anomaly |
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