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 volunteshiva: You seriously believe that because you know 10-20 Christians that haven't had sex, that you can then generalize that to what all Christian youths/all youths in the world do? You seriously believe that because you know 0 Christians, that you can generalize that to what all Christian youths in the world do? volunteshiva: Will you tell us what Christian denomination you follow? I first attended a Baptist church, then a Presbyterian one. I do not agree fully with either. However, despite whatever denomination I agree most with, it should suffice to call me Christian. posted by stinkz |
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 stinkz: volunteshiva: You seriously believe that because you know 10-20 Christians that haven't had sex, that you can then generalize that to what all Christian youths/all youths in the world do? You seriously believe that because you know 0 Christians, that you can generalize that to what all Christian youths in the world do? Why do you continue to say to anyone that disagrees w/ some of you statements or questions some of your sensationalism/generalizations that we know nothing about xianity? You have made incorrect assumptions in a number of threads... At least fatpie, marl, tiefling andmyself have had an xian upbringing and know a number of xians. But just because we don't ascribe to xianty now, that must mean we know nothing about it? Can I personally spell out exactly "what all Christian youths do"? Certainly not. HOWEVER, I can question a statement like "if 10 people are brought up xian, didn't have sex and now continue to live a moral, xian life then that shows that xianty doesn't produce kids who have premarital sex". stinkz: volonteshiva: Will you tell us what Christian denomination you follow? I first attended a Baptist church, then a Presbyterian one. I do not agree fully with either. However, despite whatever denomination I agree most with, it should suffice to call me Christian. I agree that there is a common thread throughout all xian denomiations. However, many denominations(Jehovah's Witnesses, Southern Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc.) view various issues very differently. So just saying you are xian can inaccurately represent your views whereas including your denomination can often provide greater clarity. posted by volonteshiva |
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volunteshiva: I can question a statement like "if 10 people are brought up xian, didn't have sex and now continue to live a moral, xian life then that shows that xianty doesn't produce kids who have premarital sex". Just look at this forum. There are a few people here who hold a Christian perspective, and number who don't. I guarantee that there is a significantly greater percentage of abstinate Christians than abstinate hedonists. volunteshiva: whereas including your denomination can often provide greater clarity. I have certain disagreements with each of the denominations. Categorizing myself would actually make things less clear. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: I guarantee that there is a significantly greater percentage of abstinate Christians than abstinate hedonists. That statement really isn't that strong nor does it say much. By basic definition, hedonists have lots of sex in their pursuit of pleasure. Therefore, there really shouldn't be any abstinate hedonists. Now if you want to change your word choice from "hedonist" to "non-christians" then that might make a more useful statement. posted by volonteshiva |
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volunteshiva: Now if you want to change your word choice from "hedonist" to "non-christians" then that might make a more useful statement. Indeed. The reason I chose to use the word hedonist in that instance, was to imply that many of the non-Christians on this forum are, in fact, hedonists. posted by stinkz |
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 stinkz: However, despite whatever denomination I agree most with, it should suffice to call me Christian. Then the description "Stinkz is 20+ and had no sex" should suffice, too. As if Mormon is the same as Jehowah's witness. stinkz: I guarantee that there is a significantly greater percentage of abstinate Christians than abstinate hedonists. Because Christians are dying out. In 10 years you will be "30+ and had no sex" 
posted by knn |
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knn: Then the description "Stinkz is 20+ and had no sex" should suffice, too. You're right. For a hedonist, that definition would suffice. knn: Because Christians are dying out. Alright, now you're just making up your own myths. That is worse than buying into the myths embraced by society. knn: In 10 years you will be "30+ and had no sex" No, but I will most certainly be 30+ and guilt and disease free. posted by stinkz |
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 Surely a couple living in sin are also guilt and disease free. They have never made love to anyone other than each other and they are not married. So is this sinful in your view Stinkz? Hmm bringing up this point I've realised it is offtopic. But then again this whole discussion doesn't seem to be about abortion anymore. Instead it seems to be about whether Christians are more or less likely to have sex. Crowbar move to pull this post ontopic- A couple living in sin is just as unlikely to lead to abortions as a Christian married couple who practiced abstinence before marriage. Discuss.  posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: But then again this whole discussion doesn't seem to be about abortion anymore. Actually the topic is: "The difference between wanting something and trying to achieve it with Christian suppressive methods and achieving it." Thus the posts are still pretty ontopic. posted by knn |
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 stinkz: It's surprising that people are opposed to the idea of killing children, or perhaps even the cannibalism of young children, in a time of financial crisis. Wouldn't that be a similar "way out," if you can no longer afford to raise your child? It would. However, the difference between an abortion and a child murder is very big. Usually a child is aborted when it is (physically) no more than a group of cells, the mother (let alone the father) doesn't feel like there is any connection with That or that it in fact exists. The later in pregnancy, the more the connection, and after the child is born you already see it as a person, so please - it's not the same. stinkz: ." I grew up in an inner city, and have been exposed to all kinds of immorality, but I was disciplined and reared morally. Moral upbringing works. It does indeed. In fact I much more believe in moral upbringing within a family than by schools and goverment. Government and other organisations can only force morality onto you, which is a bad way to teach anything. However, you cannot be sure that your daughter will be the same as you are. Good if she is. stinkz: The reason I chose to use the word hedonist in that instance, was to imply that many of the non-Christians on this forum are, in fact, hedonists. Doesn't look like hedonism is what you mean by it, unless you belong to the "quite a few". And any way, it somehow seems to me that hedonists tend to cause much less trouble to the society in general than over-zealous, abstinate Christians - no offence meant, just consider it that all the inquisitors were abstinate, or tried to be.  Quite a few people equate hedonism with sexuality and having a very loose or liberal view of the morality of sex volonteshiva: At least fatpie, marl, tiefling andmyself have had an xian upbringing and know a number of xians. I was not brought up as strictly a Christian, but until recently considered myself to be one, and I certainly know some people of very strong beliefs. Of all them only one girl managed until now to stay abstinate, which I respect somehow, but looking at her I would think twice before doing the same - she is one of the unhappiest people I know. posted by mymla |
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 mymla: Of all them only one girl managed until now to stay abstinate, which I respect somehow, but looking at her I would think twice before doing the same - she is one of the unhappiest people I know. So? After all suffering (= trying to overcome human impulses) is that what makes us human, as stinkz would say. posted by knn |
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mymla: Usually a child is aborted when it is (physically) no more than a group of cells, the mother (let alone the father) doesn't feel like there is any connection with That or that it in fact exists Where do you get this imaginary line between zygote = clump of cells, and baby = human being? Are you not also just a large, differentiated clump of cells? mymla: In fact I much more believe in moral upbringing within a family than by schools and goverment. Government and other organisations can only force morality onto you, which is a bad way to teach anything. You can still be for moral teaching in schools, and not in the government, if schools are privatized. I strongly think the education system should be privatized, to get rid of this forced "morality" you speak of. posted by stinkz |
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 You see, a woman has a right to choose, to CHOOSE WHEN TO CONCEIVE. if that right is violated like in rape, ok we have to make a tough choice  but hopefully adopt.
You see basically, my rule is this: Anything that i used to be, like an embryo, fetus, maybe even zygote, we shouldnt kill! I went to Washington DC last january with 200,000 other people to protest Roe V. Wade. It was wild and it makes a difference, i encourage every1 who likes to breathe attend next year! posted by FrogTrain |
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 Adoption is the alternative to bringing up a child, not going through the pregnancy in the first place. Anyway, I'm pro-choice. I've looked up pictures/diagrams of what a fetus is like in the earliest stages of pregnancy; it's a worm, and has less sentience than a plant. I can't agree that when it's developed a brain & brainwaves and actual resembles a person it should be aborted, except to save the mother's life or when it's going to die or possibly even be born with severe problems. Frogtrain: in that case, don't masturbate, murderer. 
As for that whole potential argument, I read a counter that I'd like to mention: John is a 9 year old American boy. One day he will be the president; however for now he's just got the potential to be one. Should we therefore give him all the rights and power that goes with being president, immediately? I personally am not putting my life on hold to give birth to a baby if it can be aborted early enough that it's just an unformed clump of cells, particularly not for the ideals of people for most of whom the situation is only ever going to be purely hypothetical in the first place. posted by bluewolf |
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 bluewolf: it's a worm, and has less sentience than a plant. Offtopic. I don't know whether people get the topic of this thread: It's NOT about abortion. It's about the counter-effects of Christians: It's about how guys like Bush INCREASE the abortion rate. I have renamed this topic now. if you want to post something about abortion go to IMO → Partial Birth Abortions are Back posted by knn |
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