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NEW YORK - A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God — more or less — based on scientific evidence, and says so on a video released Thursday.



At age 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.


Flew said he's best labeled a deist like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives.


"I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."


Flew first made his mark with the 1950 article "Theology and Falsification," based on a paper for the Socratic Club, a weekly Oxford religious forum led by writer and Christian thinker C.S. Lewis.


Over the years, Flew proclaimed the lack of evidence for God while teaching at Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele, and Reading universities in Britain, in visits to numerous U.S. and Canadian campuses and in books, articles, lectures and debates.


There was no one moment of change but a gradual conclusion over recent months for Flew, a spry man who still does not believe in an afterlife.


Yet biologists' investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce (life), that intelligence must have been involved," Flew says in the new video, "Has Science Discovered God?"


The video draws from a New York discussion last May organized by author Roy Abraham Varghese's Institute for Metascientific Research in Garland, Texas. Participants were Flew; Varghese; Israeli physicist Gerald Schroeder, an Orthodox Jew; and Roman Catholic philosopher John Haldane of Scotland's University of St. Andrews.


The first hint of Flew's turn was a letter to the August-September issue of Britain's Philosophy Now magazine. "It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism," he wrote.


The letter commended arguments in Schroeder's "The Hidden Face of God" and "The Wonder of the World" by Varghese, an Eastern Rite Catholic layman.


This week, Flew finished writing the first formal account of his new outlook for the introduction to a new edition of his "God and Philosophy," scheduled for release next year by Prometheus Books.


Prometheus specializes in skeptical thought, but if his belief upsets people, well "that's too bad," Flew said. "My whole life has been guided by the principle of Plato's Socrates: Follow the evidence, wherever it leads."


Last week, Richard Carrier, a writer and Columbia University graduate student, posted new material based on correspondence with Flew on the atheistic
Web page. Carrier assured atheists that Flew accepts only a "minimal God" and believes in no afterlife.


Flew's "name and stature are big. Whenever you hear people talk about atheists, Flew always comes up," Carrier said. Still, when it comes to Flew's reversal, "apart from curiosity, I don't think it's like a big deal."


Flew told The Associated Press his current ideas have some similarity with American "intelligent design" theorists, who see evidence for a guiding force in the construction of the universe. He accepts Darwinian evolution but doubts it can explain the ultimate origins of life.


A Methodist minister's son, Flew became an atheist at 15.





Early in his career, he argued that no conceivable events could constitute proof against God for believers, so skeptics were right to wonder whether the concept of God meant anything at all.

Another landmark was his 1984 "The Presumption of Atheism," playing off the presumption of innocence in criminal law. Flew said the debate over God must begin by presuming atheism, putting the burden of proof on those arguing that God exists.


this guy is british, have any of you heard of him?


posted by The ONEder Man
  I know where you live. I will send a rape commando -- knn

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not that guy but



The ONEder Man:
author Roy Abraham Varghese's

My father knows this guy, I've gone to a coupla dinners he hosted in India. He's a marian devotionist or something.


posted by ralph_angelus
  



that's kinda cool...im done with the quarter but we studied up on what that guy belives...a being that created things but isnt involved anymore. sounds like a real philosopher to ne

posted by Agent Zero
  

Christianity killed god



I think many of the aversions against a god belief are based on the aversion against biblical religions (Christians, Islam, ...)

posted by knn
  

Re: Christianity killed god



knn:
I think many of the aversions against a god belief are based on the aversion against biblical religions (Christians, Islam, ...)

Yeah, pulling a real dork card here, but I could get into the Bajoran Prophets in Star Trek DS9 since they are actually real non-linear aliens. Having real can-see-with-your-eyes evidence for higher powers would go a long way. This is why Sun-worshipping or Joe Pesci-Prayer seems good as George Carlin put it. Wink


posted by volonteshiva
  

God or god?



The ONEder Man:
Famous Atheist Now Believes in God

Not really. It's not the same to say that someone believes in "God", to say that someone believes in "a god" or higher being.

Wink


posted by Echelon
  



i have to agree with ech here and say its true...he doesnt beileive in God but god a higher being that doesnt interfere with people. deitism or something like that i think...right?

posted by Agent Zero
  

Death by a thousand qualifications



That was the famous idea from Anthony Flew:

"death by a thousand qualifications"

Flew claimed that in order to prove a God theists must keep making excuses in order to justify their claims.

The problems are suggesting (a) that the universe requires a beginning/ first cause (b) that it requires a designer (c) that it requires only ONE designer (d) that the designer does not require a designer (e) that the designer must be anything like how anyone would describe a God

Now obviously Flew still doesn't seem to quite agree with (e) since he does not posit the personal God found in most religions. He is however prepared to posit an 'intelligent first cause'. Even so, you could just as easily call the intelligent first cause 'cosmic cat' for all we know of it.

There is another problem yet (f) If God were not worthy of worship what shall we do?

This is where Nietzsche comes in. He explains how one can be MORE spiritual, MORE ethical, MORE compassionate if one is an atheist. This is hard for many people to accept because they have always seen morality and spirituality linked to an idea of God or an afterlife.

It seems to me unsurprising that an empiricist philosopher like Flew should give in to the idea of a God in the end. It's easier to believe in an afterlife than to face the truth of mortality. Flew is not a true atheist - he is just a doubter of theism...

posted by fatpie42
  "The beauty of the Superman came to me as a shadow. What are the gods to me now!"

Why only 1?



fatpie42:
that it requires only ONE designer

Why is that?


posted by knn
  

Re: Why only 1?



knn:
fatpie42:
that it requires only ONE designer

Why is that?

It doesn't. Keep up knn!


posted by fatpie42
  



fatpie42:
There is another problem yet (f) If God were not worthy of worship what shall we do?

This is where Nietzsche comes in. He explains how one can be MORE spiritual, MORE ethical, MORE compassionate if one is an atheist.

since when do you have to worship a God to believe one exists?

i have not read Nietzsche but with that synopsis and from other stuff I've seen you post it sounds like he is trying to take the blame from human actions and put it on God's shoulders. IF this God is omnipotent wouldn't it be more concievable that human err is more probably the cause of our angst and imperfection rather than this infinity smarter being?


posted by The ONEder Man
  

Re: huh?



The ONEder Man:
i have not read Nietzsche but with that synopsis and from other stuff I've seen you post it sounds like he is trying to take the blame from human actions and put it on God's shoulders. If this God is omnipotent wouldn't it be more concievable that human err is more probably the cause of our angst and imperfection rather than this infinity smarter being?

I don't understand the objection you are making. Nietzsche says humans need to take responsibility for morality themselves instead of leaving it up to the absurd figure of a God. He does not say that God is responsible for anything, but claims that humans are prevented from adapting and growing by submitting to a God.


posted by fatpie42
  

rewording



fatpie42:
I don't understand the objection you are making. Nietzsche says humans need to take responsibility for morality themselves instead of leaving it up to the absurd figure of a God. He does not say that God is responsible for anything, but claims that humans are prevented from adapting and growing by submitting to a God.

let me reword this...

Isn't he using not God himself but the believe in God as a scapegoat for human actions and misfortunes? As in, it's the believe of God that is holding us down and not ourselves?


posted by The ONEder Man
  

Simple answer



No he isn't.

(It's like saying that Newton is just using Gravity as an excuse for why things fall to the ground. If the theory makes sense then why dismiss it?)

Obviously Nietzsche doesn't think that removing God solves all problems. But then again Christians don't expect people to become saints overnight either. Nietzsche just says that atheism works better than Christianity.

posted by fatpie42
  

Nietzsche, Neetshe, Nietsche



You should start a Nietzsche thread, FatPie42 Thumb Up

posted by knn
  



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