»Is homosexuality immoral?«
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 The ONEder Man: why is it different for a homosexual? Because, as I said before, you cannot find me an abstinate homosexual. The ONEder Man: so your saying the ultimate perversion is being gay? Of course it is not the "ultimate" perversion. There are much fowler things, such as beastiality. But, yes, it is a perversion, nonetheless. posted by stinkz |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsIs homosexuality immoral? |
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 stinkz: Because, as I said before, you cannot find me an abstinate homosexual. what will that prove anyway? that's a choice towards abstinence or not, not the choice of becoming gay you were refering to earlier, in which I responded to. stinkz: Even if there are genetic predispositions towards it, that doesn't mean that the action shouldn't still be discouraged. ah so you begin to admit the possibilities that there are other factors involed in homosexuality eh? so discouraging this act should be the norm? but if you say there might be a predisposition towards this when one is born, what right do us humans have to sway them from this when you believe God created them in the first place? wouldn't that be undermining God's authority and infinite wisdom? posted by The ONEder Man |
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The ONEder Man: but if you say there might be a predisposition towards this when one is born, what right do us humans have to sway them from this when you believe God created them in the first place? wouldn't that be undermining God's authority and infinite wisdom? What I have been trying to tell you in the last three responses, is that your reasoning here is absurd. If a person has a genetic predisposition towards immoral behavior, it is his moral responsibility to overcome it. Yes, sometimes the son of an alcoholic might have a harder time refraining from becoming an abusive drunkard, but this DOES NOT mean that he shouldn't still refrain. Let's say this person does get drunk and abusive, do you assume that his genetic predisposition excuses his actions? Of course not! Should we ignore his error because "God made him that way?" Most certainly not. Try to understand, please. You have iterated that logical fallacy for the third time now. We need not hear it again. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: What I have been trying to tell you in the last three responses, is that your reasoning here is absurd. isn't that what you tell everone who doesn't agree with you?  stinkz: If a person has a genetic predisposition towards immoral behavior, it is his moral responsibility to overcome it. how do you overcome an attraction? you cannot force upon yourself to be attracted to something you are not attracted to...I do not like spicy foods, I seriously doubt force feeding them to me will change that fact. posted by The ONEder Man |
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The ONEder Man: how do you overcome an attraction? Quite easily. Moral, upstanding people do it every day. When a married person sees an actractive, much younger woman walk by, it is his duty to overcome that attraction, and do nothing about it. The ONEder Man: you cannot force upon yourself to be attracted to something you are not attracted to... You'd be very surprised. Even if someone has become so warped as to actually see homosexual sex as a pleasing thing, the repeated practice of good behavior will most certainly produce a taste for sex in its proper, moral place. Let's use another example. If I let my child grow up completely undisciplined, he will have a taste for cruel, rebellious, and self-serving behaviors. However, if continuously disciplined, he could grow to love virtue. Obviously this metaphor cannot be carried over completely. I just now realized how much flack I could possibly get for such a comparison. However, the discipline of the child corresponds to self-discipline in adults. If the homosexual person, through self-discipline, learns to control his lustfulness, he can learn to truly love, and desire sex in its proper place. The ONEder Man: I do not like spicy foods, I seriously doubt force feeding them to me will change that fact. People "learn to like" healthy food all the time. posted by stinkz |
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 Why do you think homosexuality is immoral? Because the scripture says so? It could be because it's 'against nature', but hundreds of species exhibit homosexual behaviour. The case for the 'immorality' of homosexuality rests on one thing, that there is a choice. Basically the debate is not about whether homosexuality is moral or not, but whether there is a choice or not. Also it could be different depending on how much of a homosexual tendency an individual has; if it is only a controllable aspect of his sexuality, then perhaps it is immoral. But what if a person has no heterosexual drive at ALL? Is it possible for a completely hetero female to ignore their attraction towards men and become sexually involved with other women instead? So how could it be possible for a completely homosexual male? I think the answer to this debate depends, at least for those who do not have closed minds, on the scientific resolution of the question of whether homosexuality is an unchangable trait people are born with, or if it is acquired or develops into uncontrollable proportions through encouraging deviant activity. Now one thing even those who proudly uphold their 'tolerance' should agree with is that homosexuality is deviant behaviour, because of the tiny fraction of organisms which exhibit it. I don't know whether scientific research is conclusive about this question; is it? posted by ralph_angelus |
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ralph_angelus: I think the answer to this debate depends, at least for those who do not have closed minds, on the scientific resolution Nope. This question has absolutely nothing to do with science, and everything to do with morality. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: Nope. This question has absolutely nothing to do with science, and everything to do with morality. Indeed not, for those who believe that morality is not contingent even a bit on human nature, but only on scriptures or religious precepts. Therefore it is irrelevant what we find out or learn; we already know everything that is essential. posted by ralph_angelus |
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stinkz: it is his duty to overcome that attraction, and do nothing about it. he doesn't overcome the attraction, he choses not to indulge...big difference you're proposing if he over and over through mental discipline told himself this girl is not attractive he would eventally think she was not, however although possible over the course a millenia, not very probable... posted by The ONEder Man |
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stinkz: If the homosexual person, through self-discipline, learns to control his lustfulness, he can learn to truly love, and desire sex in its proper place. The question is whether this is possible or not. Don't scream just because you heard the word 'science' posted by ralph_angelus |
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 Is poverty moral? Does that mean we should punish people who are poor? No. It means we should actively stop them being poor anymore. I think this is the logic Stinkz is working on here. Watch out! Stinkz is going to MAKE you like girls!  posted by fatpie42 |
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ralph_angelus: Therefore it is irrelevant what we find out or learn; we already know everything that is essential. Any increase in moral wisdom, will arise from within the rational moral system. Science is not going to suddenly discover what our morality has been lacking. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: Science is not going to suddenly discover what our morality has been lacking. Of course science cannot discover any moral principles. But how else could you know whether you can make people like girls or not? posted by ralph_angelus |
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 Modern Media are a monolithic propaganda machine for Satan's Big Lie: It's OK to be gay! Every editorial decision is skewed by all Media to promote that Big Lie. God's Word and those who preach it (It's NOT OK to be gay; rather, It's a monstrous sin against God that will destroy the life, damn the soul, doom the nation) are systematically reproached and reviled by all Media. All Media metaphorically smear fag feces and semen on the Bible. All Media -- in contemptuous hatred, disrespect, disregard -- metaphorically urinate on the Bible.
The universal, systemic, knee-jerk monotony of all Media in promoting the Big Lie -- and in vilifying any opposition to the Big Lie -- is remarkable, supernatural; and rules out all explanations but one, to wit: Satan is the single diabolical brain and driving force behind it. Would you agree, stinkz? This is from a website that specializes in religious hate talk. And another proof why Christianity is so dangerous. posted by knn |
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knn: This is from a website that specializes in religious hate talk. I wouldn't be surprised if that website wasn't written by Christians at all. The article seems to me to be flaunting "hatred" by using harsh words. I have never seen or heard a Christian who would write or say "smear fag feces on the Bible." That is a ridiculously irreverant. These factors make me seriously doubt the validity of that website. knn: And another proof why Christianity is so dangerous. Actually, even if someone did hold these views, it hardly makes them dangerous. God may very well dislike homosexuality, and punish a nation for embracing it. However, if a person is a professing Christian, what dangerous thing is he going to do about it? Kill homosexuals? In order to do that, he would have to go against the same Christianity he claims to embrace. On the political side, whether or not you see Christianity as being hateful, shouldn't matter. People should have the right to love or hate anyone they please. You can even hate Christians, if you like. What we shouldn't do is let the government punish people for "hate crimes." This is completely unjust. If someone's hatred leads him to immoral action, punish the immoral action. The last thing we need is "thought police."  posted by stinkz |
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