»Is homosexuality immoral?«
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 fatpie42: Eh... what book? Whatever text is used in Tiefs class. Usually there are textbooks for ethics classes. I suppose his class might not have one, though, in which case, change the word "book" to "class" in my previous post. posted by stinkz |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsIs homosexuality immoral? |
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 When I studied "medical ethics" in religious studies we used a variety of different books and compared them. What makes you think they are looking at a single book? (i haven't looked back at the thread. Did Tiefling actually SAY he was only looking at the one textbook?) posted by fatpie42 |
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 Quote: I took an ethics class in college, the point of which was to build a moral code with no preassumptions about the existence of god. I don't see any book mentioned unless there was more than this posted by bluewolf |
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 knn: Maybe because it's a perverted choice. I don't agree that if a sexual act is perverted that it's necessarily immoral. stinkz: This belief doesn't come from the morality of humanity, but from a particular, partial morality of a specific textbook. Please tell me why I should trust this book over humanity. stinkz: I suppose his class might not have one, though, in which case, change the word "book" to "class" in my previous post. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that my belief comes from a textbook, or even from a class per se. My belief is my own, or what I've formed from experience/reasoning. As Fatpie said: fatpie42: Most people who think that homosexuality is not immoral, think this because of their own reasoning, not because of any book. The moral that I took from that class (as in, what I learned, but not what I was taught) is that morality is based upon what is harmful to others. I don't see how adult, consensual homosexuality is harmful to others. (If, though, you're actually interested in what textbook I used in that class, I might be able to help you. I think I still have the book somewhere. It was basically a collection of essays on morality without editorial comments. It was up to the class to determine the validity of each essay.) posted by Tiefling |
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 Tiefling: I don't agree that if a sexual act is perverted that it's necessarily immoral. But the other points would make it immoral (the hidden efforts that I mention). posted by knn |
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Well, rape is both a perversion and immoral. However, consensual S&M in a married relationship might be considered a perversion by some, but shouldn't be considered immoral by anyone. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: but shouldn't be considered immoral by anyone. Because it's consensual. But the hidden efforts to invalidate heterosexuals are immoral. posted by knn |
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knn: Tiefling: but shouldn't be considered immoral by anyone. Because it's consensual. But the hidden efforts to invalidate heterosexuals are immoral. Invalidate how? I missed that point. posted by bluewolf |
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bluewolf: Invalidate how? I missed that point. For example by constantly showing "how much more fun gays have than heterosexuals". Or for example by showing "We are 2 women and men are not wanted here". posted by knn |
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knn: bluewolf: Invalidate how? I missed that point. For example by constantly showing "how much more fun gays have than heterosexuals". Or for example by showing "We are 2 women and men are not wanted here". Ah yes, of course. Damn those gays and their having fun. Gateway sexuality, that's all it is! *nod* And gay marriage, pfft. I mean, it could send the divorce rate soaring up as high at 50%...I mean...wait... :XD posted by bluewolf |
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knn: But the hidden efforts to invalidate heterosexuals are immoral. knn: For example by constantly showing "how much more fun gays have than heterosexuals". Wow, I do hope you're playing devil's advocate, knn. A hidden agenda to discredit heterosexuals, huh? I'd love to see a shred of proof of such a plot. Besides, heterosexuals are still on top for at least a few more decades --- after all, the continuation of our species depends upon it... 
Anyway, even if there is some secret homosexual plot to discredit heterosexuals... why would this be any worse than the current fundamentalist attitude toward homosexuality? That's a much more blatant attempt at discrediting. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: why would this be any worse than the current fundamentalist attitude toward homosexuality? That's a much more blatant attempt at discrediting. Yes, it could be that it goes as following:
I am talking here about centuries/millenia of human development/degradation. Thus you have layers around layers. Maybe more than these 4. Maybe some layers degrade one being into pedophilia. Maybe some into murder. Maybe some into transsexuality. Maybe there is a layer below homosexuality that makes one "panically heterosexual and powergod-loving" (= heterosexual+ christian+ pro-gun). Whatever. Sexuality can be a strange thing and one cannot really argue for or against a -xuality unless oneself cuts thru a layer and rises to the next higher by leaving the degradation behind. But a warning: As I stated the rising to the next "mentally healthier" state could make you bisexual. 
posted by knn |
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Tiefling: morality is based upon what is harmful to others. What a surprise. I could have told you you believe that, before you had to take a class. You believe in the secularist ethic, like most everyone on this forum. However, this ethic is only a fragment of the real morality of humanity. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: What a surprise. I could have told you you believe that, before you had to take a class. Anything else opens the door to harming other in the name of a "higher moral". posted by knn |
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knn: Anything else opens the door to harming other in the name of a "higher moral". Not at all. Moral action in other areas is no excuse for immoral action in this area. Hurting others is still immoral. posted by stinkz |
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