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The moral axiom, "We shouldn't harm others," is rooted in not wanting to be harmed oneself. Where is the blind faith in that?

Christianity is a moral code that arises from a particular society. Looks like I'm not needed here; you're doing a great job at disproving your own thesis!

It is a message of good news and hope for those who already know the Moral Law

At least it was REPEATED for centuries that it's a "happy message". I wonder why the official signs of protestants and Catholics are the most sad signs anyone can imagine.

same persons that are ATTRACTED by a religion who says that they are sinners, may be the same who claim that it's a happy message while it's a message of death.

Knn... you're irrational opinion

Please stop using this word for heaven's sake. "Irrational" and "Illogical" out of the mouth of a Christian who believes that the Jew Jehoshua was god himself, is completely inappropriate.

I use the word because it accurately describes you

where you call me irrational for believing that Jesus is God.

you could begin to discuss whether or not a belief that Jesus is God is rational or irrational.

In your mind, there is not even the slightest chance that the supernatural exists

except when dealing with vague theories about God = evolution, or something as pleasing in your eyes

I never ever did that.

"Irrational" and "Illogical" and "no sense" out of the mouth of a Christian who believes that the convicted criminal Jehoshua was god himself, is completely inappropriate.

What the heck? I never ever even gave the slightest hint at something like that.

God = evolution? Where does this idea come from?

Yes, you did.

You hint at that all the time. You nearly always consider a belief in the supernatural as unreasonable, as is shown in your previous quote.

From another thread.

I merely stated that as a Christian words like "illogical" are inappropriate.

Like stinkz said

My point was not to have faith that humans will act morally. We know they will not. Our faith in humanity's discovery and knowledge of the Moral Law, which gives us the ability to know sin.

The Moral Law that governs humanity already exists, and is unchangable. It is in this that we must have faith.

The difference is, I acknowledge that my position requires faith. And, it is a faith in humanity. It is not a groundless faith in oneself or in a particular society, as yours is.

Where do you get these things from?

If Christianity were merely a new moral code arising from a particular society, as you have claimed, it would never have been embraced.

you believe that humans will not act morally, than how can you have faith in humanity's acceptance that they are sinners? And even if they do, what would that do? From your point of view, even if we did know, we would continue to act without morals.

Beforehand, you said that we should have hope in humanity realizing sin. But now you said that we should have faith in the "Moral Law," as you call it.

Of course it would have. Countless different religions have come from societies, and have been embraced (for example, Confucianism).

Implying what? Why, that my belief is illogical of course!

The fact that I do not want to be harmed cannot turn into "Do not harm others" without the introduction of a moral imperative. This imperative would require faith, as any moral would.

How can we realize sin apart from the moral law?

Erm...I said that.

Implying that as a religious person you shouldn't use terms like "illogical".

Wrong again. It doesn't require faith. It requires logic. If I hit someone, I have every reason to believe they'll want to hit me back --- human nature. To avoid being hit by that person, I should avoid hitting that person.

That's the point --- there is no sin without the Christian law.

Christianity lays down all these unjustifiable thou shall nots on top of a completely sensible moral code --- The Golden Rule