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 fatpie42: In the last decade, neurobiological explanations have become available for many of the traits of psychopathy. For example, impulsivity, recklessness/irresponsibility, hostility and aggressiveness may be determined by abnormal levels of neurochemicals including monoamine oxidase (MAO), serotonin (5-HT) and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA), triiodothyronine (T3), free-thyroxine (T4), testosterone, cortisol, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), and hormones of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal and hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axes (W.H.J.M., unpublished data). Blablabla. Who says that a homosexual doesn't choose to be that way and thus alters his neurochemicals? These anti-religious psychiatric descriptions don't make things true. They are merely a psychiatric working hypothesis. If thinking about sex starts some biochemicals (as it does indeed), then choosing to become a pervert may too. Thus chemicals in the brain don't mean anything. Homosexuality may still be immoral. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsIs homosexuality immoral? |
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 volonteshiva: Christianity may be against hatred, but many christians demonstrate hatred. Do you agree that most people, regardless of religion, would be against hatred, but they still demonstrate it? Come on, just because you are a Christian doesn't mean you're not human. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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 knn: fatpie42: In the last decade, neurobiological explanations have become available for many of the traits of psychopathy. For example, impulsivity, recklessness/irresponsibility, hostility and aggressiveness may be determined by abnormal levels of neurochemicals including monoamine oxidase (MAO), serotonin (5-HT) and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA), triiodothyronine (T3), free-thyroxine (T4), testosterone, cortisol, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), and hormones of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal and hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axes (W.H.J.M., unpublished data). Blablabla. Who says that a homosexual doesn't choose to be that way and thus alters his neurochemicals? Knn, you do realie that this information about chemicals you have quoted from me is about psychopaths? (hence the word 'psychopathy'). I presume that you are saying it is a bad analogy. Actually it is a very bad analogy because it wasn't intended to be one. What I was trying to show was: (i) Psychopaths, through no fault of their own, would not be true, believing Christians who put the moral teachings into practice. (ii) Therefore not becoming Christian was predecided for the psychopaths. (Unless they were diagnosed and were treated with modern medication - but this is only in modern times and presuming the symptoms of psychopathy are recognised (they are well disguised by the patient). It is a matter of 'fate' if a psychopath gets treated, and we know who controls 'fate' don't we?) (iii) This suggests that the people who follow the Christian morality were (at least partially) predisposed towards it beforehand. (iv) Therefore the moral laws people follow are something to do with people and their predispositions and not some higher being. posted by fatpie42 |
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 nocturnal_anonymous: Do you agree that most people, regardless of religion, would be against hatred, but they still demonstrate it? There is a significant difference between demonstrating hatred, and demonstrating hatred in the name of religion. A Christian who does the former is just human. It's a Christian who hates people in the name of Christianity who is such a danger. posted by Tiefling |
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 nocturnal_anonymous: volonteshiva: Christianity may be against hatred, but many christians demonstrate hatred. Do you agree that most people, regardless of religion, would be against hatred, but they still demonstrate it? Come on, just because you are a Christian doesn't mean you're not human. My point was that xians claim to hold themselves to a higher moral standard than most. If that is true, then there should be a smaller percentatce of xians who demonstrate hate than the rest of the non-xian population. It would be hard to gather these numbers, but I think that they would be interesting... posted by volonteshiva |
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 Tiefling: There is a significant difference between demonstrating hatred, and demonstrating hatred in the name of religion. A Christian who does the former is just human. It's a Christian who hates people in the name of Christianity who is such a danger. So well said, but so offtopic... 
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fatpie42: (i) Psychopaths, through no fault of their own, would not be true, believing Christians who put the moral teachings into practice.
(ii) Therefore not becoming Christian was predecided for the psychopaths. But that is the question here. You use the word "Predicided" and post some stuff about "brain chemicals" yet you don't show who DECIDES. Is it chemicals -> decision or decision -> chemicals Stinkz claims it's a personal choice for perversion that makes you a gay (decision -> chemicals) posted by knn |
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Stinkz is able to say homosexuality is a choice because there is no medication to cure it. There IS medication for psychopathy and that is why Stinkz did not deny that it was caused by chemicals in the brain. Stinkz did not argue against it, so why are you Knn? posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: There IS medication for psychopathy and that is why Stinkz did not deny that it was caused by chemicals in the brain. Only because someone states it doesn't make it true. I herby state that there is NO psychiatric cure for psychopathy. The only thing they can do is to suppress chemicals. And if your definition is "Homosexuality is no illness because there is no cure" then it merely means "We cannot cure it" and not "It's no illness". Homosexuality was treated as an illness by psychiatry until they realized that it's a) bad PR for psychiatry b) they had no clue what causes it thus declared it as "normal". That psychiatry nowadays can do some tricks by controlling some brain chemicals means nothing. It's like cutting away a leg and state "We can control the reason why he plays football". There is nothing in psychiatry that guarantees that heterosexuals won't be defined as "abnormal" in the future. Psychiatry has no qualified means to check for "abjective normality". They are highly politicized would declare "communists" or "Stalin opponents" or "Michael Jackson fans" as abnormal if they could. Citing psychiatry doens't prove that homosexuality is immoral. Maybe homosexuality is the worst and most immoral thing in this universe and psychiatry wouldn't even notice. posted by knn |
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Ya know, my entire family is anti-homosexual, but most of my friends (who are into gay asian crossdressing rock bands) (odd), are pro-homosexuality... so i did some research, and have concluded that they're called queers for a reason. It's sick and wrong. Why do you think (according to the christian religion) that humans began with the creation of ADAM and EVE, and not two guys, or two girls? Just as a side comment, a friend of mine told me that she sees nothing wrong with gays, but lesbians creep her out... wtf... did i mention she'll bite your head off if you voice any kind of anti-fag opinion around her?... ya... so in response to some of the "hateful christian" comments i read in earlier posts, supporters of queers can also be hateful. Then again, i've frequently voiced my opinion that it's completely immoral and we should deport them all to france, where they can frolic with the french people, cuz we all know that they're a little off. Sorry if the french comment offends anyone, but since the war, i have lost all respect for the French. When was the last time they won a war with their own men? (world war II doesn't count cuz the americans had to save their panzy asses) And the french revolution doesn't count.Surprisingly, they actually have a decent arsenal... take the FAMAS for example. A fine gun... the problem is, they don't have the balls to use them, but that's a post for another topic. posted by BobTheBuilder |
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BobTheBuilder: Then again, i've frequently voiced my opinion that it's completely immoral and we should deport them all to france, where they can frolic with the french people, cuz we all know that they're a little off. Sorry if the french comment offends anyone, but since the war, i have lost all respect for the French. So are you a Bush supporter from the US? Maybe even Christian? I see a pattern here. posted by knn |
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knn: BobTheBuilder: Then again, i've frequently voiced my opinion that it's completely immoral and we should deport them all to france, where they can frolic with the french people, cuz we all know that they're a little off. Sorry if the french comment offends anyone, but since the war, i have lost all respect for the French. So are you a Bush supporter from the US? Maybe even Christian? I see a pattern here. Hey lets start another thread about the French, whom Im gratified to find are universally hated on the internet and around the world. posted by guest |
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 guest: knn: BobTheBuilder: Then again, i've frequently voiced my opinion that it's completely immoral and we should deport them all to france, where they can frolic with the french people, cuz we all know that they're a little off. Sorry if the french comment offends anyone, but since the war, i have lost all respect for the French. So are you a Bush supporter from the US? Maybe even Christian? I see a pattern here. Hey lets start another thread about the French, whom Im gratified to find are universally hated on the internet and around the world. so u find homosexuals to be gross and (icky) so what how does it openly affect you are they trying to convert you I know a few gay people and they never speak about their choices or try to cobvince me they are right. wow what a racist comment french people are odd...I have some firm beleifs and one of them is to never generalize groups of people.Also you lost respect for them for not participating in a war that killed thousands of people which you and your redneck racist pals beleive is great because your idiot of a president thinks he can talk to god if jesus exists would he as a divine spirit aid and participate in this horrible religious hate war If u think homosexuals are immoral you have to consider handicapped people(not saying being gay is a handicap) but is being born with something you cannot change really immoral? posted by Kupov |
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Bob the builder can he fix it Bob the builder no he would rather destroy with bush induced hate. posted by Kupov |
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guest: Hey lets start another thread about the French, whom Im gratified to find are universally hated on the internet and around the world. IMO → As Americans we hate the French posted by knn |
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