»Is homosexuality immoral?«
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 I'll take another bite. Talk about me turning words upside down? A pedophile or a murderer not admitting that they in fact are what they are and pretending to be just a normal member of society is indeed much more of an immoral act than one that does not deny who they are. Would you not say that the moral thing to do if you are a murderer or pedophile is to admit it? Of course the pedeophile should not act on who he is. But they should not walk around pretending they are not attracted to children. There is a difference between homosexuality and murder, rape and pedeophilia in case you did not know. Again, solidifying my point with something you brought up. Calling me juvenile because I find it useless and tiring to argue with a blowhard is not exactly a mature statement. I find it less juvenile to let you have your ball and let you pretend that you are the authority. I have found it is very entertaining watching some people trip and fall face first without my help. Everyone has their own morals. You may not want to admit it, they may not want to admit it, but that is the way it is. Regardless of where they originated. I say you were screaming your statement that the world thinks homosexuality is immoral because you have said that in just about every post, not because you were literally screaming. When you say homosexuality is immoral because it is the belief system of the majority of the people, you need to explain how the fact that most people believe it to be immoral makes it immoral. Are we talking about normal and abnormal or are we talking moral and immoral? So now you claim you want to change the world by changing the morals. Whom do you suggest change these morals? I would imagine you find that the only ones that could possibly change morals would be religion since in your view, that is the only way any of us have these morals. Are you insinuating that religion should tell us what our "new morals" should be? How about religion telling us what our new laws should be? Or who are president should be? Sounds like Bin Ladenism to me. More double talk? The fact that the poll does not represent the people of the world does not show my "delusions and demonstrates my flight from reality", as you put it. (I suppose now you will state some of your "facts" as to what delusion and flight from reality really means?) Grow up. (I could easily have pounded on you for being such a load in the pants and have chosen not to. Relax, remove the poll that is firmly planted under you and quite thinking you are anyone with the authority to know delusions and flights from reality and what we should know before we have opinions on this and on that. Worse of all, how you are going to educate us). What the poll shows is that this is just an opinion poll and I was going on that. I did not go out and do a world wide poll myself. Maybe you did and would like to share that with us? Who the hell cares what the rest of the world thinks when you are dealing with opinions on a thread? Does calm, assertivness threaten you? So many questions. posted by Danilo |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsIs homosexuality immoral? |
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 You change and distort both our positions and opinions with every post. For example your "immoral not to be who you are" then oh no I meant immoral to deceive somebody; then oh no, I didn't mean pedophiles, they're different. And the sad part is that you think you are being consistent. You have no position, you are merely BS'ing every step of the way. You continue to insult with terms like 'blowhard", a drunk, "load in the pants", et c. Just WTF should I keep responding? posted by ipsism |
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This reminds me of one of those asnine political debates where what one person says is turned around by the other for their benefit. Does it not seem that there is someone, somewhere reading these posts and having a good laugh at our expense? You don't think of your name calling and psychoanalitical stabs as insulting? You take what I said about one thing and lump it into everything else, you bring up crappy, paper thin examples and I punch holes in them and you call that inconsistent, and think my opinions are BS. You can't seem to defend your position by addressing any questions posed. It's as if you did not read the post. I am not a teacher. This is not a schoolhouse. I have no idea how to keep you on track. Only you can answer why you should keep responding. But since you asked, it seems to me you don't like answering questions. So maybe the answer would be "to answer some of the pertinent questions posed". posted by Danilo |
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first off, peadophiles have nothing todo with this, secondly i doubt Danilo was changing his mind at all as all the points pointed out were valid:it is immoral to not be yourself and to decieve someone. I sorta skimmed a few of the posts as they were way too long(especially the homophobe's) but i feel that ipsism should do what his picture does and smash his head into his keyboard, here we could kill two birds with one stone(not that i condone killing birds-i'm a vegetarian): no more ridiculous posts by someone clearly in desperate need of help AND maybe we could get rid of another idiotic homophobe! Now i think i'm "On the verge of something wonderful"! and if you didn't know- that's a song by Darren Hayes! posted by abandon hope |
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"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."- Bertrand Russell From Reference.com: "The relationship between religion and homosexuality varies greatly across time and place, within and between different religions and sects, and regarding different forms of homosexuality and bisexuality. Currently, bodies and doctrines of the Abrahamic religions generally view homosexuality negatively, from quietly discouraging homosexual activity, to explicitly forbidding same-sex sexual practices among adherents and actively opposing social acceptance of homosexuality. Some teach that homosexual orientation itself is sinful, while most assert that only homosexual behavior is a sin. Some have claimed that gay men and lesbians can change their sexual orientations through religious faith and practice. Exodus International is the largest ex-gay group. Groups not influenced by the Abrahamic religions have sometimes regarded homosexuality as sacred. In the wake of colonialism and imperialism undertaken by countries of the Abrahamic faiths some cultures have adopted new attitudes antagonistic towards homosexuality." and; South Pacific : In many societies of Melanesia same-sex relationships are an integral part of the culture. Traditional Melanesian insemination rituals also existed where a boy, upon reaching a certain age would be paired with an older adolescent who would become his mentor and whom he would ritually fellate over a number of years in order to develop his own masculinity. In certain tribes of Papua New Guinea, for example, it is considered a normal ritual responsibility for a boy to have a relationship in order to accomplish his ascent into manhood. Many Melanesian societies, however, have become hostile towards same-sex relationships since the introduction of Christianity by European missionaries. and; In Rome, the pagan emperor Hadrian allegedly practiced homosexuality himself, but the Christian emperor Theodosius I decreed a law, on August 6th, 390, condemning passive homosexual people to be burned at the stake. Justinian, towards the end of his reign, expanded the proscription to the active partner as well (in 558) warning that such conduct can lead to the destruction of cities through the "wrath of God." Notwithstanding these regulations, taxes on brothels of boys available for homosexual sex continued to be collected until the end of the reign of Anastasius I in 518. and; East Asia: In East Asia same-sex love has been referred to since the earliest recorded history. Early European travelers were taken aback by its widespread acceptance and open display. None of the East Asian countries today have specific legal prohibitions against homosexuality or homosexual behavior. Homosexuality in China, known as the pleasures of the bitten peach, the cut sleeve, or the southern custom, has been recorded since approximately 600 BCE. These euphemistic terms were used to describe behaviors, but not identities (recently the Chinese society adapted the term "brokeback," 斷背 duanbei, due to the success of Chinese director Ang Lee's film Brokeback Mountain). The relationships were marked by differences in age and social position. However, the instances of same-sex affection and sexual interactions described in the Hong Lou Meng (Dream of the Red Chamber, or Story of the Stone) seem as familiar to observers in the present as do equivalent stories of romances between heterosexuals during the same period. Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku, terms influenced by Chinese literature, has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships. Similarly, in Thailand, Kathoey, or "ladyboys," have been a feature of Thai society for many centuries, and Thai kings had male as well as female lovers. While Kathoey may encompass simple effeminacy or transvestism, it most commonly is treated in Thai culture as a third gender. They are generally accepted by society, and Thailand has never had legal prohibitions against homosexuality or homosexual behavior. The teachings of Buddhism, dominant in Thai society, were accepting of a third gender designation. ============================ It is sad and pathetic that Abandon Hope prefers to slander rather than understand the reality of language. I have not admonished anyone for their sexuality. To call one a 'homophobe' because they comment on societal norms - not because of their personal opinion - is extremely defensive and bigoted, lacking in the ability to discuss, rationally, the way that society is. That's the reason for adopting the icon, it's impossible to have some people look at anything objectively. They remain trapped in the pettiness of their own thought, demonizing rather than understanding. Abandon Hope, please try to figure out the meaning of the full name, Ipsism Cerebri. As the above, from reference.com, should demonstrate to any who have a modicum of reasoning: it is Judaeo-Christian and Muslim RELIGIONS [what Reference.com refers to as Abrahamic religions, after Abraham - for Danilo and Abandon Hope who have no apparent understanding of biblical origins] that castigate and ostracize homosexuality. It is also these same RELIGIONS that have formed and institutionalized their concepts into the "morality" adopted by the culture in which we live. In the far east, where Judaeo-Christian and Muslim religions remain in the minority, homosexuality is not demonized. To say that every man defines morality is to say that there is no morality. That may be a tough concept for some to understand. It goes back to accepting reality and the way that things are. So, for these defensive, bigoted intellectual giants, learn a little before you start insulting and 'unconsciously translate what you hear into something you can understand'. And, the inescapable truth (accuracy) to the question posed is: 'yes, homosexuality is immoral in the culture in which we live.' posted by ipsism |
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The whole point is that biblical origins are full of crap. If you believe in what the bible or any religions say, as being fact, you are one of the people that does not question belief and therefore cannot see things objectively. Even Mother Theresa questioned her beliefs and wondered if there actually was the God. There is no debate if you do not question the bible or any wacky religion (Buddhism, or any other religion makes no more sense than Christianity or Scientology or ESP or the tooth fairy. It is useless to quote what they say about homosexuality). It is impossible to argue a belief that has nothing to back it up. There is no quality of life if one believes they have the truth and therefore has no quest for the truth. Homosexuality may not be the norm in worldwide society but it is certainly not immoral. You can never equate homosexuality with adultery, theivery, lying, cheating or murder. I think you are confusing the words "normal" and "moral". posted by Danilo |
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You have proven yourself to be a slandering name calling emotional ****, you are also most likely 'Abandon Hope' I will not reply to either of you again. Please read the quote from Bertrand Russell, as you validate his observation. posted by ipsism |
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I would expect that you have nothing left to say in defense of your stance. You can not, or will not, explain how I am wrong in what I posted. I love to learn. Tell me where I am wrong. Read my last post and please quote where I did any name calling. Maybe my computer is deleting any name calling that I did? I did not even do the little stars in the air **** crap that you did. You say I am probably Abandon Hope? Why in the world would someone need to have two names here? Maybe you feel there could in no way be two people that don't agree with your garbbled posts. Anymore conspiricy theories? (Who really shot JFK?). I know it does not feel very good to be wrong and not be able to dispute anything but when you reach maturity, if you ever do, you will be able to communicate and debate by answering questions that are asked, not ones you wish had been asked and not by claiming you are above it all and running away because the questions are not the ones you want to answer. By the way, the Bertrand Russell quote is marvelous. Don't be too hard on yourself. I appreciate that you think I am clever but no need to see yourself as 'stupid'. Maybe misguided would be a better word. I could have put it on my post aimed at you and you would have gone on and on that I was insulting and calling you stupid. You are still proving my point without my having to say much. Thank's again. posted by Danilo |
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Hi it's me(as in not Danilo!). It's completely ridiculous to even suggest that i'm being sad, pathetic and slanderous as i'm only saying how you portray yoursewlf to be. how can anyone who spends all this time/effort to try to prove homosexuality immoral be anything but a homophobe? And you keep going on about religion as if it is the be-all and end-all whereas it's perfectly possible to be moral without the interferance of religion. religions only set THEIR versions of morals. posted by abandon hope |
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i cant believe you would all waste so much time disscusing this topic on homosexuality is it really that big a deal .  posted by henryhugh |
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my opinion on religion .if you feel you need it then by all means go for it but not every one thinks the same way you do . religion is man made by superstitious people at the end of the stone age. it has no place in todays society other than guidance for those who have no clue and think that there should be more to life than what they have, life i feel is very simple you live you die , you only have ever lasting life through your children not heaven, that is a fantasy for those who can not cope with life. posted by henryhugh |
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I work at an elementary school and know that some kids were born gay. These are innocent kids. I hate to see parents who try to force these kids into what they are not. What message are these kids getting about themselves? I had a friend that is gay. He tried to commit suicide and I haven't heard from him in months. I worry about how he is doing. Suicide is a common occurance among gay males. The price of him coming out of the closet was too high. There are gays that marry the opposite sex and hope that it makes them "normal." When they can't take it anymore, they leave behind broken hearts and family. All because we can't accept who they are. Sadie posted by Sadie |
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home sexual is immoral and very bad activity it is like walking on the head and eating with leg every body must remain what he or she is and not even try to convert to opposite sex because he can not be she forever and she can not be he as well. on the other hand you are resposible to bring in the world at least one child to replace you when you die and you can do this only if you remain as you were born THANK YOU posted by Mohamoud |
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could Mohamoud please learn to speak english before he starts criticising people on an english language website! secondly: what the hell are you going on about, we don't have a responsibility to leave children behind besides, the world is hugely overpopulated so we actually have more of a responsibility not to have children but i have nothing against having children so you shouldnt have a problem with people not having children. Gay people can have kids and you just contradicted yourself completely bysaying that homosexuality is immoral but then sasying that we shouldn't try to change ourselves or are you saying we should be immoral? posted by abandon hope |
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It is not a choice.Some people are born Gay. posted by mystmass |
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