»Is homosexuality immoral?«

Is homosexuality immoral?

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No, it is moral

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Yes, it is immoral

30%

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No, it is amoral

22%

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I don't know / I have no opinion / it depends

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Number of users, who voted: 63
Number of counted votes: 63

ralph_angelus:

most people who think homosexuality is ok think they don't have a choice.

How do we know if they do or not?

I think the fact that you will never find an abstinate gay person is quite telling.

fatpie42:

But saying they can not just choose whether they have sex, but can actually choose what sexuality they are is just silly!

It's only silly if "sexuality" is something predetermined from birth. I hardly see how it is. Is it not surprising that with the increase in promiscuous activity and underage sex, that homosexual activity also increased? As far as I have seen, there is a strong correlation of homosexuality with a lack of sexual temperance.

fatpie42:

How many people could possibly go through all the shit that gays have to deal with just to be "different"?

I'm sure many people do get into it to be different, just to slap the face of the much-hated moral majority. But, even those who don't do that aren't merely gay because of biology. They are gay for other sexually permiscuous reasons (eg. too much sex, now it's boring), or because they have been traumatized by rape or sexual molestation.

knn:

So stinkz would be double-immoral: 1) Being heterosexually active more than once a year and 2) engaging in anti-gay-speech.

Who said I'm sexually active? I've chosen to wait for marriage.

posted by stinkz

If popular thought feels 'science' to be different from all other kinds of knowledge because science is experimentally verifiable, it is mistaken.

in-my-opinion.org -> Religion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolves -> Religious & Philosophical Topics -> Is homosexuality immoral?

Name abstinate heterosexuals

stinkz:

I think the fact that you will never find an abstinate gay person is quite telling.

As if we knew many abstinate heterosexuals...

stinkz:

Who said I'm sexually active? I've chosen to wait for marriage.

Who says that more than 1 time per year with your wife gets god's OK?

posted by knn

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i hate to say it...

I really hate to say it again, but, a rational response would be appreciated. You know, every once in a while, just throw one in there.

knn:

Who says that more than 1 time per year with your wife gets god's OK?

What are you trying to say? That Christianity teaches abstinance in marriage?

posted by stinkz

God hates you, too, stinkz

stinkz:

What are you trying to say? That Christianity teaches abstinance in marriage?

No, that you cannot be sure that your planned sexual behaviour in your marriage is not a sin either.

posted by knn

Re: we love to embrace immorality... for we are all immoral

stinkz:

ralph_angelus:

most people who think homosexuality is ok think they don't have a choice.

How do we know if they do or not?

I think the fact that you will never find an abstinate gay person is quite telling.

What type of time scale do you define abstinate to be? So if I find at least 1 gay, sexually abstinent person how would that effect your position? At all? Would you just call that person an anomaly?

There is at least 1 gay, abstinent bishop...

jmm.aaa.net.au…

The appointment of Jeffrey John is a gospel issue. For if an openly gay person, publicly committed to a chaste, sexually abstinent lifestyle, cannot be appointed as a bishop in our Church, what hope is there for the many gay and lesbian people in our congregations of feeling fully accepted by God and their fellow Christians?

aidsinfobbs.org…

...the Rev. John McNeill of New York, a self-proclaimed abstinent homosexual,...

Another link:

radicalcongruency.com…

Since the number of single heterosexual Christians vastly outnumbers the gay population, by probably 50 to 1, I’d say this isn’t an unbearable burden. I have known hundreds of people who have remained abstinent for decades because of their faith. It can be done, if we present it as a viable option.

stinkz:

fatpie42:

But saying they can not just choose whether they have sex, but can actually choose what sexuality they are is just silly!

Why would that be surprising? If sex increases across the board then it is logical that homosexual sex would increase as well... How does that show anything?

stinkz:

fatpie42:

How many people could possibly go through all the shit that gays have to deal with just to be "different"?

So a 16yr old boy/girl who wasn't molested, wanted to be normal, and had never had sex couldn't possibly be gay by your set of criteria here, right?

posted by volonteshiva

Gay by will

stinkz:

This is the typical Christian (self-deceptive) explanation since there is no other solution to the problem "Gay from birth".

It's unexplainable why there could be natural gays (since god cannot a) hate gays and b) allow them to exist from birth), so they invent this "heterosexuals have been raped until gay" and "gays are gay by will".

posted by knn

Re: we love to embrace immorality... for we are all immoral

stinkz:

I think the fact that you will never find an abstinate gay person is quite telling.

i know a guy who is gay, who has never had any type of sexual encounter with a guy (or girl).

he is gay, but scared of people who will judge him and/or change their opinion of him once they find out...so he keeps it a secret.

he is not attracted to females at all and has never been.

posted by allone

all you really need is 88mph. that's when the flux compacitor starts to work.

Yet another possibility that fits into the Christian world

knn:

It's unexplainable why there could be natural gays (since god cannot a) hate gays and b) allow them to exist from birth), so they invent this "heterosexuals have been raped until gay" and "gays are gay by will".

Let me add there there is yet another explanation (which stinkz doens't mention) why gays are gay (besides having been raped or being perverted by their own will):

They are possessed by demons or under the influence of Satan.

Although I don't ask anyone to believe this, I find that this explanation is the most acceptible since "having been raped" and "wanting to be gay" is a little unlikely for 100% of the gays.

This "demon" solution fits into the Christian world much better.

Just some quotes from page regarding the Jehovah's witnesses view on Homosexuality:

religioustolerance.org…

The Jehovah's Witness religion teaches its membership to believe that homosexuality is 'detestable', 'an abomination', 'abhorrent', and is caused by demon possession.

posted by knn

Yet more from Jehowah's Witnesses

gaywitness.f9.co.uk…

True Christians know that even deeply rooted wrong desires, including those that may have a genetic basis or that involve physical causes or environmental factors, are not insurmountable for persons who truly want to please Jehovah.

Likewise, a person may feel strongly attracted to others of the same sex, but by heeding the counsel of God’s Word he can remain clean from homosexual practices. (See Ephesians 4:17-24).

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As long as they continue to battle wrong inclinations and maintain righteous conduct, God views them as faithful servants and as clean in his eyes.

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….a Christian cannot excuse immoral behavior by saying he was ‘born that way., Child molesters invoke the same pathetic excuse when they say their craving for children is “innate”. But can anyone deny that their sexual appetite is perverted? So is the desire for someone of the same sex.

posted by knn

call Father Merrin, quick, i think that boy is gay!

knn:

maybe those "gay camps" that try to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals perform mass exorcisms(?)

posted by allone

Weapons of Ass Destruction

allone:

perform mass exorcisms

Are you sure it's not ass exorcism?

posted by knn

morals

I understand that all of you here believe that homosexuality is something you are born with. You have been taught that all your life. However, not being brought up in the same bias, I have found no reason to believe that it is.

volunteshiva:

So a 16yr old boy/girl who wasn't molested, wanted to be normal, and had never had sex couldn't possibly be gay by your set of criteria here, right?

There are many other factors other than the ones I stated. There are teaching factors, environmental factors, which are probably more influential than some of the one's I mentioned. However, in the wrong environment, someone can grow up to enjoy murder, or like drugs, or love alcoholism. The difference is, one person (the homosexual) we say is "different," the others we say are "wrong."

Now, a federal government system based on the principle of justice should not be able to classify any non-aggressive behaviors as "wrong" or "illegal." However, Justice is not the whole of morality, as I have stated before. According to traditional morality, homosexuality IS wrong. The question is, are we going to act decently and come to understand the benefits of rational morality, despite the limitations placed on the government? Or, are we going to satisfy every fleshly lust which catches our desire, so long as we can get away with it?

You choose.

knn:

It's unexplainable why there could be natural gays

I never said that it was an impossibility that there be a biological problem which could cause a person to naturally lean towards homosexuality. My point was merely that biology in no way accounts for the massive resurgence of homosexuality.

posted by stinkz