»What to say to someone who insists to pray«
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 sangu: stop using your intellectual reasoning in an attempt to argue against God. If someone tells you to stop to use "your intellect" then do the following: ((Don't read on if you want to keep your Christian beliefs)) Since he is is someone who uses his "non-intellect" and submits to his "belief" we may use his strong belief to plant some "anti-belief belief in his thoughts". Since he already uses "belief" as a way of thinking, he will sooner or later succumb to the following: Please tell the believer that he prays to Satan whenever he prays to god. 
If he starts to argue, then tell him, that he should stop to use his intellect. Please also tell him that the word "pray" comes from "prey". posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsWhat to say to someone who insists to pray |
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 fatpie42: Is there a different God though? no. knn: Please tell your dad that he prays to Satan whenever he prays to god.
If he starts to argue, then tell him, that he should stop to use his intellect. huh? how does he pray to satan when he prays to God? its no use arguing w/him..he's such a, hmm, dumbo? knn: I cannot see how the new testament eradicates god's mass murderings in the old testament. i didn't say it did, i said now things are different; but christianity has a LOT of factions, we all don't believe in the exact same thing. posted by sangu |
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sangu: huh? how does he pray to satan when he prays to God? Say to him "You pray to Satan if you pray to god". posted by knn |
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knn: Say to him "You pray to Satan if you pray to god". posted by sangu |
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 sangu: still confused Just say it. Put this thought into his mind: "Your prayer goes directly to Satan and HE is the one who fulfills or rejects it." Oh, and if he wants and explanation say this: "Is the world bad in its current state? Much evil around us?" He will most probably agree. "So it is basically true, that in our current times Satan rules the world as is written in the bible." He will most probably agree, too. "In other words: God keeps himself out of the world while Satan does all the things now. In other words: If your wishes come true, Satan did, because god has left anyway." If he still doubts tell him "Satan is the one who causes illness and trouble, thus any relief is also done by him". If he starts to argue, tell him "I see you are in doubt and trying to refuse. If you REALLY believed that you pray to god, you wouldn't be. But it's Satan who wants to keep you praying, thus you don't want to accept this truth. In fact: Your non-believing shows me already that Satan has you in his hands." Tell him also that people are praying since 2000 years yet the morals have gone down the drain. Tell him that this is BECAUSE of prayer not DESPITE of. If he argues that Jesus prayed, too, then tell him that 1) Jesus set out the EXACT way HOW and WHAT to pray and that a SMALL variation may lead to sin and 2) tell him to watch posted by knn |
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 Knn those arguments are some of the worst I've ever seen from you! Sangu please please PLEASE don't use that argument. How about his one? 1) "Are all parts of the Bible self-explanatory? ie. if you read the Bible should all its truths be evident?" If YES go to (2) if NO then go to (3) (2) Then where are the concepts of the trinity in the Bible? I can't find the word "trinity" in there! Where does it say that Jesus is 'both fully man and fully God'? (3) Then it is necessary to discuss beliefs rather than simply believing! Thus you have a reasonable argument against unquestioning belief for any Christian who believes in the trinity - tadaaa! posted by fatpie42 |
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 You may also tell, that "Since god created Satan AND let him be the ruler of the world I am really astonished, that it is so rare that someone prays to him at all" Please mention "Oh no, did you pray again? Didn't I tell you how dangerous that is?" as often as possible. And mention "Hey, yes, I see you changed to the worse. Is this prayer related?" and "Praying to one of god's creatures again?" and "Oh, you pray? You must be impotent or a suppressed gay, right?" and "Aaah, another chap who thinks he prays to god. I read about guys like you". The more he will refuse the more he will succumb. posted by knn |
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If he insists that he prays to god, use the term "God who created Satan" or "God the massmurderer" or "The so-called god" instead of "God". Tell him also that "God hates people who pray but won't DO anything for him". posted by knn |
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If he says "I pray to Jesus not to god directly" then tell him that 1) That is DEFINITELY not the way as pointed out in the bible how to pray 2) That there was no guy with the name "Jesus" but with the name "Jehoshua". Tell him that the reason why so many wrong prophets can claim they do Jesus' works while in fact they are evil lies in this very reason: Jesus (= "Geeezes") is a code name for Satan. posted by knn |
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Please also point out that Muslims pray to the same god (= the god of Abraham, Moses, Adam...). Please say that Muslim pray much more, thus the way Muslim countries look like is either a proof that they are god's ideal countries or that INDEED prayer goes to Satan. posted by knn |
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Please also tell him that the ideal Church of Satan would of course wear black and glorify the torture instrument that killed Jesus (= the cross). And, oops, don't priests wear black and have a cross around their neck? posted by knn |
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 how does this thread make any s e n s e whatsoever? she's christian too, you really think she's gonna say that stuff? posted by The ONEder Man |
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 knn: Please also tell him that the ideal Church of Satan would of course wear black and glorify the torture instrument that killed Jesus (= the cross).
And, oops, don't priests wear black and have a cross around their neck? is this "ideal church of satan" your ideal church of satan? or the true "church of satan"? i wonder what would happen if you went in to a church and told the priests that they worship satan because they have crosses around their neck and they wear black. --- anyway, why not just let people pray and believe what they want to? you have your beliefs and others have theirs. posted by allone |
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allone: is this "ideal church of satan" your ideal church of satan? or the true "church of satan"? It doesn't matter. Just SAY it. Just start their thinking process by saying "Look, priest, you say you are a church of Jesus but you wear black skirts and have the torture instrument around your neck". posted by knn |
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The ONEder Man: how does this thread make any s e n s e whatsoever? she's christian too, you really think she's gonna say that stuff? No she shouldn't read this thread at all. As I write in the first post. posted by knn |
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