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»The Christian cult: Under gay influence?«

Catholic priests love to walk in skirts, knee in front of a naked man and be surrounded by young boys. Is this gay or a mere coincidence?

    
• No, mere coincidence
50%
 50%  [ 9 ]
• Yes, Catholic priests are under homosexual influences
38%
 38%  [ 7 ]
• I don't know / How dare you?
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Number of users, who voted: 18
Number of counted votes: 18




knn:
How would that change ANYTHING? It's important to know where it COMES FROM? If anything then it would prove my point: The cult is influenced by pagan gay influences.

I would agree with you that there are many pagan influences in the Catholic Church, and some which have carried over even into Protestant sects. For example, the whole idea of building huge buildings with spires (Christians in the New Testament met house to house). However, what you are debating is not Christianity as a whole, but merely Catholicism.
knn:
Then tell me which of my listed points is untrue.

People have already been pointing them out. But, if you wish, I will point out more.


1) Pagan tradition perpetuated by caste-like systems started by politicizing of the church

2) The point of a monastary is to remain celibate.

3) Praying is not a homosexual activity, and is partaken by both male and female.

4) Everyone was a child at one point. Jesus was similarly a child. No pedophilia even remotely connotized.

5) Only Catholic's pray in front of symbols.

6) No one prays to Jesus on the cross. They pray to God, through resurrected Jesus, sitting at His right hand.

7) The name Easter is derived from the name of the Babylonian goddess, Ishtar. And besides, it is mainly about Christ's ressurection.

8) Are you saying there are cannibalistic themes? If not, how does this relate?

9) We ARE all sinners. Also, it is only emphasized to free men that we are slaves. To slaves, it is emphasized that we are free. There is no sexual connotation in either of these.

10) This is the worst excuse for a homosexual theme that I have ever heard. It wouldn't have passed for a theme, even if it had only been two, and they were both male.

11) There is nothing wrong with drinking beer or wine in moderation.

12) Only Catholics worship Mary in the way you stated.

13) Catholics are the only group which have mass

14) Once again, only the pagan, clergical system of Catholicism caused this

15) Never in my life, even in Catholic Churches, have I witnessed the use of drugs.

16) Are you really claiming to know what priests think?

17) If, by "fighting against sex," you mean, "fighting for sexual temperance," OK. Also, please don't attempt to bring abortion into this category. Abortion IS murder as it is taking the life of a human being. There is no "sexual philosophizing" necessary. Please start another thread if you wish to debate this topic.

18) Not one of those things is a valid point against Christians. Black dresses, small cells, shaving heads, no sex, and hurting genitals do not apply to Christianity at all. Others, little sleep, and emphasis on one's own slavery, have no sexual connotations whatsoever. I wonder why you put the last one, hard work, in there.

Stop playing word games.

19) I once rode on a donkey at a horse ranch, because they didn't have enough horses to go around. Do I have suppressed homosexual desires? Was this ranch promoting homosexuality? This is the most absurd point of the ones you have made. Only someone with blind hatred could actually accept this point as rational.


posted by stinkz
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GOOD JOB STINKZ! stick it to knn.

posted by Agent Zero
  

Not a single point disproven


stinkz:
People have already been pointing them out. But, if you wish, I will point out more.

You have NOT disproven a single point. The only thing you did is to not accept the conclusion "that Catholics are under GAY influence." However all my points still stay valid.

AND PLEASE REREAD MY FIRST POST:
knn:
Maybe you didn't notice: But it seems that a lot of the behavior of Catholic priests is undercoverly gayish and/or sadomasichistic.

and
Quote:
Catholic priests love to walk in skirts, knee in front of a naked man and be surrounded by young boys. Is this gay or a mere coincidence?

It's about Catholic priests and noone else.
stinkz:
No one prays to Jesus on the cross. They pray to God, through resurrected Jesus, sitting at His right hand.

You wish. There are countless prayers using terms like "Dear Jesus" or "Sweet Jesus". Just watch God TV and see that basically all prayers are directed at Jesus.
stinkz:
12) Only Catholics worship Mary in the way you stated.

The poll _IS_ about Catholics, which is by the way the biggest Christian party. You can't seriously take some small Christian group as an counter-example. The fact alone that Catholicism is the biggest, one of the oldest and the most influential Christian group is proof alone that most of people agree/agreed with how a Christian group should look like: It should have the points I mention above.
stinkz:
16) Are you really claiming to know what priests think?

No, that's not my data. That's data from surveys in priest seminaries, where approx 50% say they are gay BEFORE becoming a priest. One of the latest scandals was at described at IMO → Child pornography at a Roman Catholic seminary
stinkz:
Not one of those things is a valid point against Christians. Black dresses, small cells, shaving heads, no sex, and hurting genitals do not apply to Christianity at all.

White laugh Especially "no sex" and "black dresses" can no way apply to Christianity. Give me a break.
stinkz:
and emphasis on one's own slavery, have no sexual connotations whatsoever.

White laugh As if devotion and submission have no sexual connotations
stinkz:
This is the most absurd point of the ones you have made.

It's not absurd, but it's true that it's weak. That's why I put it last.


posted by knn
  

Just to show you how gay Catholic priests are


• According to Amanda Ripley of Time Magazine, estimates range from 15% to 50%
• Richard Sipe, a psychotherapist and former priest, has studied celibacy, chastity, and sexuality in the priesthood for four decades. He has authored three books on the topic. He once estimated that 30% of the priesthood is homosexually oriented. Elsewhere, he is quoted as estimating that between 25% and 45% of American priests are homosexual in orientation. He told the Boston Globe: "If they were to eliminate all those who were homosexually oriented, the number would be so staggering that it would be like an atomic bomb; it would do the same damage to the church's operation...It would mean the resignation of at least a third of the bishops of the world. And it's very much against the tradition of the church; many saints had a gay orientation, and many popes had gay orientations. Discriminating against orientation is not going to solve the problem."
• Father Donald Cozzens, an author, psychologist, and Catholic seminary president says that there is such a high percentage of gay priests in the church that he is concerned that “the priesthood is or is becoming a gay profession.” In his book, "The Changing Face of the Priesthood," -- published in the year 2000 -- he estimates that 50% of Roman Catholic priests have a homosexual orientation.
• During 1990, Rev. Thomas Crangle, a Franciscan priest in Passaic, N.J., mailed a survey to 500 randomly selected priests. Of the 398 responses, about 45% said that they were gay


25%, 30%, 50%? That's 10-20 times more than in the rest of society.

In other words: Catholicism is ATTRACTIVE to gays. It _IS_ a gay religion.

I once actually asked a homosexual who was dealing with that matter and he told me that a lot of gays want to become priests because they think "Hey, I don't like girls, I don't want to have a wife. I will be perfect for this job".

You see, stinkz, these are real statistics that support exactly what I have said. Everything YOU can deliver as a counter-argument are some theories.

And keep also in mind:
However, as Father Donald Cozzens has written: "Beyond these estimates, of course, are priests who remain confused about their orientation and men who have so successfully denied their orientation, that in spite of predominately same-sex erotic fantasies, they insist that they are heterosexual."

I learned something new, I guess So even more than 50%?

Please also note that the rest is NOT heterosexual, but some % is BISEXUAL. Some of the priests have AIDS, by the way.

Think about it the next time you shake hand with a priest... or watch God TV. You will, will you? Evil evil

Oh and this:
A steady loss of heterosexual priests who leave the priesthood to get married.

thus these leaving priests raise the "gay ratio".


posted by knn
  

Yummy Seminary


A survey with 5000 Catholic priests:
In a question where survey respondents were asked whether there was "a homosexual subculture" at the seminary or seminaries which they attended, four options were given: 1) "Yes, definitely"; 2) I think so but I'm not positive"; 3) I don't think so"; and 4) "No, definitely not."

From his analysis of the responses to these questions Fr Harrison concludes that approximately half of all American priests ordained since 1982 - somewhere between 40 percent and 60 percent - have come through a formation experience in which group behaviour manifesting a "gay" orientation was part of the seminary environment.


A are free to believe that this is mere coincidence.


posted by knn
  

Where the rage against underage sex might come from


In other words: The next time you hear a priest raging against "Underage sex is bad because it leads to abortion" (or something like that) keep in mind that he might be gay, thus hating "sex, which can lead to unwanted pregnancies" = heterosexual sex.

Of course this does not apply to all priests.

posted by knn
  

Yet another statistics: Views from America’s Catholic priest


In a tabulated chart on “belief in church doctrine,” the Times asked...
“Do you think it is always, often, seldom or never a sin...to engage in homosexual behavior:
• 49% "always a sin"
• 25% "often"
• 19% "never"


O-o-oh, Catholic priests just wanna have fu-un.


posted by knn
  

Try again...


knn:
The only thing you did is to not accept the conclusion "that Catholics are under GAY influence.

No, I do not accept that conclusion. But that was not your original position. Your original title stated that CHRISTIANITY, not Catholicism, was under gay influence. And you still refuse to change it. Shame on you, knn, for your underhanded attacks on Christianity.
knn:
There are countless prayers using terms like "Dear Jesus" or "Sweet Jesus".

Though I highly doubt the omnipotent Lord would hold this simple, Theological misunderstanding against anyone, it is still a misunderstanding. Look at Biblical prayers. They are clearly addressed to God the Father.

You need to stop formulating your opinion of Christianity on "God TV."
knn:
You can't seriously take some small Christian group as an counter-example.

Neither protestants nor the apostles can be considered a "small Christian group."
knn:
Especially "no sex" and "black dresses" can no way apply to Christianity. Give me a break.

My point stands. Neither of those things apply to Christianity. Christians promote sexual activity, within moral bounds. Also, no Christian, not even a Catholic, will tell you that Christianity teaches that black dresses must be worn.
knn:
As if devotion and submission have no sexual connotations

No, as a matter of fact, they do not. Children should submit to their parents; there is nothing sexual about this moral precept. Or maybe you think there is, I dunno. If you want, you can be like Freud, and attempt to explain all human and moral behaviour as the result of "subconcious" sexual desires. I just hope you don't commit suicide, like he did.


posted by stinkz
  

Reread my first post


stinkz:
No, I do not accept that conclusion. But that was not your original position. Your original title stated that CHRISTIANITY

No, it's not. Reread my first post. It's about the Christian CULT.
stinkz:
Though I highly doubt the omnipotent Lord would hold this simple, Theological misunderstanding against anyone, it is still a misunderstanding. Look at Biblical prayers. They are clearly addressed to God the Father.

But that's my point. NOWHERE in the bible it's written to wear black robes. Yet they do it. Nowhere it's written to bow in front of a naked tortured man. Yet they do it.

I argue on a meta-level (hidden forces that form a cult) and you drag me down on a literal level.
stinkz:
Christians promote sexual activity, within moral bounds. Also, no Christian, not even a Catholic, will tell you that Christianity teaches that black dresses must be worn.

Reread my forst post and look at the pictures. It's about the Catholic priests, for heaven's sake.
stinkz:
Children should submit to their parents;

But we are talking about adults submitting. Not children.


posted by knn
  

Sticking bleeding baby penisses into the mouth


In case you don't know: It's what Jewish priests do: First they cut off parts of the penis of the baby, then they stick the bleeding penis into their mouth.

Yeah, sure, pure coincidence... has absolutely nothing to do with perversions...

IMO → Rabbi ordered to stop oral circumcisions

posted by knn
  

Question here.


knn:
First the cut off parts of the penis of the baby, then they stick the bleeding penis into their mouth.

F***ing nasty yuck

Oh my holiness. :throwup:

Do all Jews do this? It does say "Hasidic" Jews, although frankly, I really don't know what Hasidic Jews are.

And please also note that these are Jewish priests and not Christian ones...which means we are veering from the original topic. Set your George Michael free


posted by nocturnal_anonymous
  "NO CAPES!"

Cutting off parts of the clitoris... because it looks better


nocturnal_anonymous:
which means we are veering from the original topic.

Only a bit. The US (= the biggest Christian nation) still does cut off parts of the babies' penis.

Of course they use a medical excuse to hide their Jewish roots but that's another topic.


posted by knn
  



You have to be a moron to vote for "Yes, Catholic priests are under homosexual influences"

A complete and utter moron, I am not Catholic, but Jesus Christ! how ignortant can you be...
Same goes for all those "Catholic priests are all pedophiles..heh lol" morons, it's realy starting to annoy me.

It's just as stupid as saying "heh...Lol, are German people are Nazis" or "LOL, omg...I'm a moron...all people living in San Fransico are gay...heh Lol"

Please, you 7 morons that voted for "Yes, Catholic priests are under homosexual influences", please go and cut yourselfs.

posted by Pawnatron
  The Chief of this forum will call me a genius, move me to Moscow, and give me a
million bucks hard currency



Pawnatron:
A complete and utter moron, I am not Catholic, but Jesus Christ! how ignortant can you be...
Same goes for all those "Catholic priests are all pedophiles..heh lol" morons, it's realy starting to annoy me.

It's just as stupid as saying "heh...Lol, are German people are Nazis" or "LOL, omg...I'm a moron...all people living in San Fransico are gay...heh Lol"

These statements are completely uncomparable.

"Priests are under gay influence" is comparable to "South American art is influenced by Hollywood".


posted by knn
  



knn:
Pawnatron:
A complete and utter moron, I am not Catholic, but Jesus Christ! how ignortant can you be...
Same goes for all those "Catholic priests are all pedophiles..heh lol" morons, it's realy starting to annoy me.

It's just as stupid as saying "heh...Lol, are German people are Nazis" or "LOL, omg...I'm a moron...all people living in San Fransico are gay...heh Lol"

These statements are completely uncomparable.

"Priests are under gay influence" is comparable to "South American art is influenced by Hollywood".

You just didn't understand. I'm just saying it's "Just as stupid"

It's like saying "Killing a man is like stealing a car", and then you say "Well no, killing a man is a much worse crime". But what I ment was it's just as illegal.

Saying prieses are gay influenced is just as stupid as saying all germans are Nazis.


posted by Pawnatron
  



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