»The Christian cult: Under gay influence?«
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 Maybe you didn't notice: But it seems that a lot of the behavior of Catholic priests is undercoverly gayish and/or sadomasichistic. Please also read my posts below that cite statistics that maybe more than 50% of Catholic priests are gay.
So what do you think, are these signs of a hidden homosexual influence? Or mere coincidence? [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsThe Christian cult: Under gay influence? |
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 Just curious, wasn't this list of "reasons" in some other thread before? It seems rather familiar...and I think I've posted a reply on it before... posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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 some of those reasons are plain sketchy and dumb. knn: Praying to a trinity, which is a group consisting of man+man+ecstacy
• Producing drugs (beer and wine are typical products of monasteries) i think all these things center around priests because they're vowed celibates. after awhile the temptation increases and becomes to great and well, yeah. also, you give humans, no matter what religion, a set of rules, and people will go against it. i think making priests single is a bit stupid. celibacy is a serious thing, we're made to mate. if you want to be celibate, it better be a really serious choice. im not dissing priests or anything, but with all these scandals, do they really take their job seriously? posted by sangu |
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 Be clear whether you are talking about Christianity or Catholicism. Yes, they are two different things... Although, argueably the same religion, they go about their religion in different ways... This is known as different sects. Christians, for example, are not cellibate. And nowadays, not all Catholic priests are cellibate... Robes are a tradition. Back in their time there were no 'pants' and even though the modern world have them, it's the same as any other culture...why would they want to change what was handed to them from the B.C. times. Scottish people wear kilts, though it doesn't make them homosexual. Priesthood was a high and holy position. The Christianity belief since the olden days believed that women were sinners, more so than men. Naturally only men were allowed this position. Other religons and governments held similar views on the value of women in society. Again, this is not substantial evidence. Many gods were male, and they did not pray to the child. Even so, that is pedophilic, not homosexual. They indicated that the child was God sent to earth, so that Jesus can experience how humans felt and could treach them about things such as love etc. There are just as many who worship Mary and believes her to be holy. The Catholics do not worship in front of a cross and the cross was not a torture impliment. Rather, crucifiction is an instrument of death. It is merely a symbol that even though the people killed Jesus, he died and then rose after three days. The Crucifiction was originally used for criminals of the worst kind. They were all naked for both humiliation and discomfort, and so the same went for Jesus. I've never heard of this death being repeated over and over...and thought that Christmas was the highest feast for Christians... It is supposedly Jesus' birth, I believe. On this, I think you read into too much of the Mel Gibson movie. "Eating his flesh and drinking his blood (OK, it's wine and bread, but it counts nevertheless)" What exactly does this count toward...? If this statement was to imply that they are canninbles, you are highly mistaken. Many of your innuendos are understandable and interpretive. This one, however, is very weak so don't try to over-exagerate. Being sinners meant that everyone made mistakes and/or carried the sins of their ancestors, in this case Adam. There have been wars fought throughout history because of something someone's father's did, aka revenge. Although a person was responsible for a crime, if they cannot atone for it, their offsprings paid the price. Also, this religion does not say that their followers are slaves. "Praying to a trinity, which is a group consisting of man+man+ecstacy" Who in the world said this? The trinity is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Have you ever heard of people finish their prayer with "in Trinity's name. Amen"? Of course not...even people unfamiliar with Christianity know this... Drugs...well, alcoholic beverages could be considered drugs since it alters the state of mind. Keep in mind, however, that during these times water was not sanitary enough to drink. Wine and beer were the better candidates for beverages, and nothing indicates that they abused this thus becoming drunks. Wine was a common beverage back then, as water was scarce. And not only in this religion. Mary was their saint but not their only one. Women saints are less than men but there are many such as Etheldrada, Teresa of Avila etc. "Celebrating the mess surrounded by young boys" What is 'the mess'? Anyway, these young boys of the monastary are the equivalent of apprentices in the skills of another Master Artison. They need to learn the responsibilities at a young age so that they can get the job when the older people die out... Confessions are not only about sexual tryists. They are also "evil" thoughts, lies, muders, and theft...anything that they considered to be "immoral". "Using smelling drugs to raise their feelings and increase the group bond (incense)" If they did, how is this a bad thing? Does not other people use incense to help themselves to relax? "Fantasizing about having sex with young boys (a lot of priests have these fantasies)" Where do you get this stuff? On whose authority did you hear this? Fighting against sex...? Maybe as adultery...but I'm sure these people know that the human population needs to continue. As for their philosophy...there is anal as well as oral, but that is beside the point. When have they ever had this philosophy? Maybe it is an opinion of a minority group but certainly is not a mass teaching on their part...? Immortallity of marriages...? Abortion is muder...? How is this evidence of them being under homosexual influences? A lot of people is anti-abortion and doesn't mean they are Christian. BDSM...? This is having sex with a psychological twist. The line between pain and pleasure is blurred. It also has very emotional and physical highs... "Black dresses, small cells, hard work, little sleep, little talk, shaving heads, no sex, hurting genitals, emphasis of one's own slavery..." All I can say is not really, there are some that do this in extremities, not majorities. Your conclusion is completely irrevilant to your thesis. You have proved nothing. What does riding a donkey have to do with anything? Out of about twenty reasons of why "Catholocism is under gay influence" only seven are even close to valid. The evidence you provide is unreliable and, at times, completely veers off the topic. It seems as though you are trying to prove that this certain religion goes against their own belief, not that they are homosexually influenced. You read in-between the lines too much without knowing any true facts. To argue against an enemy is to know more of their subject than they do so that you could find the loopholes. This debate however was built on twisted words, not just subliminal implications. Those that are biased against this religion without reason or are gullible will probably agree with you though... -V- posted by Imsha |
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Imsha: Be clear whether you are talking about Christianity or Catholicism. Yes i thought it was pretty obvious i was talking about catholic, if you were talking about me. anyway way nice job V, picking apart each of knn's "proofs". i was too lazy to do all that. gotta study for 'em finals ya know. Imsha: You read in-between the lines too much without knowing any true facts. To argue against an enemy is to know more of their subject than they do so that you could find the loopholes. This debate however was built on twisted words, not just subliminal implications. i agree. knn likes to if i remember correctly "find the hidden currents of christianity" or something like that. he likes to stretch things and come up with his own conclusions on what it truly means. posted by sangu |
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 Imsha: Your conclusion is completely irrevilant to your thesis. You have proved nothing. So true, I can't PROVE anything. It's more on a level of subconsciousness. They do it NOT because they believe "it is fun to adore a male child". They do it because somewhere deep in their minds there is such perversion. Thus habits and beliefs may be contradicting. (Please note, that I am not stating that there _IS_ such perversion, I am merely repeating what this poll is about). Moreover you try to pick at single behaviours. But I think you miss the point: It's this COMPLETE list that is the proof. Not its single issues. And, yes, to each one of the points you can counter-argue "They do it because X or because Y". But if you do so, you merely repeat the official explanation, not what dark reasons are really behind it. Other than that, you show a lack of understanding of the Catholic religion, as I can read from your statements like "I... thought that Christmas was the highest feast for Christians..." or "Nowadays, not all Catholic priests are cellibate..." or "there is anal as well as oral, but that is beside the point. When have they ever had this philosophy? Maybe it is an opinion of a minority group but certainly is not a mass teaching on their part...?" posted by knn |
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 You mean sort of like "Embrace the gay philosophy but hate gays"? 
posted by Echelon |
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Echelon: You mean sort of like "Embrace the gay philosophy but hate gays"? No, the philospohy is only little gay. It's more like: "Ooh, I am so attracted by this religion: my saviour was tortured naked and his mother never had any heterosexual encounter.. but wait, they are officially against gays? Well, at least I can wear skirts and live in a monastery amongst men..." posted by knn |
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 Change the title to The Cathalic cult:under gay influence? please...your talkign about cathalic stuff posted by Agent Zero |
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 Agent Zero: Change the title to The Cathalic cult:under gay influence? please...your talkign about cathalic stuff Nope posted by knn |
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 knn: It's this COMPLETE list that is the proof. Not its single issues. So, by making a list of untruths LONGER, it makes the point TRUE. How utterly illogical. knn: Nope Of course he won't change the title, Agent. His point is always to trash Christianity. Pointing out that 3/4 of all the things on the list only apply to paganisms which were carried over into Catholicism won't make him change anything. posted by stinkz |
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its probablt because knn is biased towards hating christians...if i said change the titel to "christianity is stupid and sucks" he would go for it posted by Agent Zero |
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stinkz: Pointing out that 3/4 of all the things on the list only apply to paganisms which were carried over into Catholicism won't make him change anything. How would that change ANYTHING? It's important to know where it COMES FROM? If anything then it would prove my point: The cult is influenced by pagan gay influences. stinkz: So, by making a list of untruths LONGER, it makes the point TRUE. How utterly illogical. Then tell me which of my listed points is untrue. posted by knn |
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Agent Zero: "christianity is stupid and sucks" he would go for it Definitely not. stinkz: Of course he won't change the title, Agent. And this is for Google reasons. Believe it or not. A similar case as I write at IMO → Question or suggestion for knn!#13505 and at IMO → What is the best character in the The Original Star Trek?#15571 posted by knn |
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I think it's mainly a coincidence. But something you have to reckon is the fact that there have always been gay priests, not just now. The thing is that now is when everything is coming out on the open. posted by Echelon |
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