»Women do not really have equal status to men yet...«
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 sangu: allone: do girls have to sign up for the draft? guys do that to attract girls? no, guys do that because we HAVE to, theres no way around it...unless you want to break the law...women are not forced into signing up for the draft. (there are ways to not serve, medical conditions etc..., but then we are considered "not man enough" and we lose points for that) but im sure that there are some guys that enlist in the military to impress girls, i hear girls like a man in uniform. posted by allone |
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| in-my-opinion.orgMiscAnything that doesn't fit in any other categoryWomen do not really have equal status to men yet... |
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 There is no draft in the United States. It's the Selective Service, remember? 
How about some more inequalities: Why are guys expected to hold the door for women? In a burning building, why do guys have to go rescue the people trapped inside? On a sinking ship, why do women and children get to board the lifeboats first? When an unmarried woman gets pregnant, why does she have complete discretion over whether or not to have an abortion, and whether or not the man will pay child support? But, please don't misunderstand. I'm not a chauvinist. There are good answers for all these questions. And I think women should continue to strive for equality, because in many respects, women are not considered equal yet (no female president, for one). However, taking up the cause from the perspective of not wanting to shave your legs or wear a bra will not engender respect for your cause, but ridicule instead. Fighting for women's suffrage, or a female president, or for equal representation in the work force, are all much more worthy causes. And never make the assumption that it's all fun and games for men, but all suppression and control for women. Men aren't supposed to whine and complain about their lot in life, because it is most un-manly to do so. But just because it's unfashionable for men to complain doesn't mean our lives couldn't be a hell of a lot easier too! posted by Tiefling |
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 Tiefling: But just because it's unfashionable for men to complain doesn't mean our lives couldn't be a hell of a lot easier too! Hmm...somehow I sense a bit of bitterness in that sentence...just a bit, yeah.
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 you know, i had a nice response all typed up until i double checked and you said: Tiefling: There are good answers for all these questions. so you really leave no room to debate...so yeah. good points. posted by sangu |
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 Kupov2: umm canada did have a respected female prime minister that's cause...we rule Oooo...I think we beat you here cause...we had the "First ever in the world" female president...
...cause...WE RULE 
...Well...I just wanted to brag...so... keep on with your discussions... posted by Pawnatron |
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 Pawnatron: Oooo...I think we beat you here cause...we had the "First ever in the world" female president... White laugh
...cause...WE RULE King for a day Pictures? Links? How has she done as President? posted by volonteshiva |
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 Damn you Iceland or... wherever it is you live. Anyway its only america and muslim countries that wont accept woman as leader. posted by Kupov |
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if you mean leader of the entire country...then i can see what you are trying to say. (although keep in mind that a lot of men have women leaders...they care called "wife" ok, justkidding)
but, did you know that since 1917, when Jeannette Rankin became the first woman to serve in congress, 185 women have served in the U.S. house of representatives, 33 women have served in the U.S. senate, 30 women have served as presidential cabinet secretaries, 23 women have served as governors, and countless others have served as statewide constitutional officers and state legislators. we have women mayors, politicians, school superintendants, governers and on and on... of course some (extreme) women will say that there is always a man with more power for every woman with power. they forget to say that there are a lot more men with less power also. (you can also add that most of the time, that man is white, therefore we are now racist, but that's another topic) but honestly, i cant think of any women that have actually tried to become president... its like: "you wont allow women to be president!" -"a woman hasn't tried to be president yet." "how could she ever even try, you wont accept it!" -"how do you know that, if she hasn't even tried?" "well if she ran against a man she would lose simply because she is a woman!" -"when a woman decides to run for office, she will have to win the votes just like a man would" "she wont get them because shes a woman and is discriminated against" -"how do you know that, if she hasn't even tried?" and on and on... posted by allone |
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volonteshiva: Pawnatron: Oooo...I think we beat you here cause...we had the "First ever in the world" female president... White laugh
...cause...WE RULE King for a day Pictures? Links? How has she done as President? She did quite well...very nice lady. She came to my school the other day and spoke to all the people...in the school And she was very nice. Her name is Vigdís Finnbogadóttir.   You can find lots of links, in English, if you just google her name. Apparently she and Margaret Thatcher were 'ok buddies'... uhm...yeah... And here is a picture.. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by Pawnatron |
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nocturnal_anonymous: Hmm...somehow I sense a bit of bitterness in that sentence...just a bit, yeah. Bitterness? Not at all, honestly, and I'm sorry if it came across as such. I've gone through a lot of difficulties as a male --- it's a lot harder than it may appear to find the woman of your dreams, and I'm not one to settle. And I've gone through a lot of difficulties getting my dream job, and in furthering my career. But, I'm not bitter. Actually, I feel that all of these things have strengthened me and made me a better person. And I'm satisfied that I can look back on all of this and know that I achieved these things, and that they weren't simply handed to me. My point is that women should not make the mistake of thinking that girls do everything to please guys while guys just sit back and reap the bounties. posted by Tiefling |
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sangu: you know, i had a nice response all typed up Sangu, you should post your responses. I, too, had a bunch of responses typed up to why those "inequalities" were justified, but I ended up deleting them because they didn't sound quite right. I'd be more interested on hearing the female point of view on why they're justified than my own justification for them. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: My point is that women should not make the mistake of thinking that girls do everything to please guys while guys just sit back and reap the bounties. No, of course not. In fact, I have seen cases where the man works so hard for the woman, while the woman just spends all that hard earned money down the drain with all her fancy brand name accessories and clothes. I can't stand it when that happens... it makes me want to throw up and slap that girl so hard so that her nose bleeds. But of course, there are many cases in which men do the same, except with sex. They get laid for the night, the woman has a baby, and the man decides, "I don't wanna be a husband yet, I wanna be FREE", so he ditches the woman with her baby and never thinks about them again. And the woman has to raise the baby herself. And this makes me want to throw up and kick the guy in the balls. ...I saw both of these cases on TV recently, and I seriously almost chucked something at the TV screen. So yeah, all this is just to show you, Tiefling, that I know men don't have it easy. And girls don't either. Still, politically leader-wise, women haven't gotten as many positions as they should. I'd really like to see Mrs. Clinton as Mrs. President someday... posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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as for holding the door open, i think it's a tradition that guys follow because well, it seems courteous, etc. but the question is how did it even start. "back in the day", you know, it was all women=inferior, they are trophy wives, feeble, feminine, etc. so that feeling may have translated to that act. so nowadays, it's mostly just doing it because that's what guys do, and it's courteous. why do guys rescue people in burning buildings? well, im taking the situation where they are notfiremen i assume. it kind of relates to the sinking ship. the guys are assumed to take on that bravery masculine role. save the women and kids. they can't do that job. of course, if a woman wants to go and rescue them, go ahead. but if only a man and a woman were standing there (on neutral ground), the male would feel more obligated to do it. why women and kids first? once again, weaker gender. plus, women are the ones that reproduce. gotta save the planet's population. it's kind of like, let the weak go, hopefully the strong can fend for themselves. very generalized. also correlates with tradition-ish, it's always been done. why does she have complete discretion over whether or not to have an abortion, and whether or not the man will pay child support? well i didn't know that, but interesting. the discretion is probably because being pregnant may be something a girl/woman is ashamed to admit (she had sex without parents knowing for one). so she can abort and everything goes on the same. instead of having the girl too ashamed to go to the doctors because they would contact the parents, you have this discretion thing. the last one i don't quite get. are you saying the girl gets to choose whether the man will pay child support? if so, i suppose its to make sure the man does his part. there are too many single mothers out there. the girl did have to go through the pregnancy (painful stuff), and the least a guy could do is to help pay if he's going to ditch her. posted by sangu |
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nocturnal_anonymous: But of course, there are many cases in which men do the same, except with sex. They get laid for the night, the woman has a baby, and the man decides, "I don't wanna be a husband yet, I wanna be FREE", so he ditches the woman with her baby and never thinks about them again. And the woman has to raise the baby herself. And this makes me want to throw up and kick the guy in the balls. in the case of a "one night stand" then both participants are..."at fault" and if the girl decides, after a one night stand, that she wants to commit to someone just because she is pregnant and the man doesnt want to...i can understand that, but he should still have a say in the matter...its soley up to the woman to decide if she wants to keep the child or what have you, the man gets no say in anything. what if a guy and girl date for a year, they say they are in love, then the girl gets pregnant and decides she wants to abort it...no matter what the guys says, when the guy wants to keep the child...even though he knows that he couldnt afford to have a child...but no matter what he says to her she wont listen and aborts her(and his) baby...i know its her body and she should have the final say in the matter. but i know each case is different...there are cases where a a guy can have a one night stand with a girl then two years later find out he fathered a child that night...then another year later he finds out that the girl slept with numerous people around that time. i know what you mean, NA, and i agree...men that are willing to have sex and don't want to take care of the consequences for it make me sick too. but then again, there are women that take advantage of that...and get child support from a man who is not the father, or demand child support and not let the father have anything to do with the childs life...(my mother did that to my father when i was very young, she milked him for everything he had, he worked three jobs just to live and pay child support, and she made it soo difficult for him to see me and my sister that...when we finally got to see him we didn't know who he was...) but another inequality is in divorces...women are way more likely to gain custody of the child than the father...even if the mother is...well...not fit to be a mother. my girlfriends dad and step mother have a 5 year old daughter. her stepmother is...the biggest bitch on the face of this earth (that i have met so far), i seriously think this woman is insane and needs some type of professional help. her father is miserable in the marriage but is scared to death to divorce her because she threatens to take the 5yr old daughter and leave and never let him see her again, tell the courts that he is an unfit father, cry to a lawyer about how he beats her (another lie) and so on...all she can do to keep him away from his daughter. he has already gone through it once in his life, with my girlfriend...his first wife, whos family convinced her that he is the devil (very VERY sctrictly catholic), just decided one day to up and leave with my girlfriend and not tell her dad. they didn't just leave the city...they left the state, and not just move to the next state, but all the way to california...for three years, he had no idea where they had gone, but was served with divroce papers. her mom had a vision one day where jesus told her that she should let her father see his daughter again so she moved back to texas. i know those are some extreme cases...and you cant think that every woman will act this way. but in divorces it is a lot easier for the mother to gain custody of a child than it is for the father. just because some people act certain ways doesnt mean that they all do. hell, i don't know where im going with this...its late and im under the influence of sleeping pills... 
posted by allone |
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allone: hell, i don't know where im going with this...its late and im under the influence of sleeping pills... Haha, that's alright. I actually finished reading it all, even though it was hard to follow. The cases that mentioned in my post were cases, instances, examples, and nothing more. Obviously there are many cases that are not under the same circumstances that the ones that I brought up were under (you listed quite a few of them yourself). In the case that I brought up, a man and a woman had a child, and the man just left, leaving this woman to raise the child by herself without a penny of financial support from the father at all. The child, or teen (now), has gone by 16 years without seeing her father. So obviously, you can understand why I am pissed at that guy. And for the other case that I mentioned, there are also many cases in which the woman of the family does not buy brand name accessories/clothing, works a full-time job, trying to savor every penny, while the man spends all the money drinking and gamboling or other whatnots. So, yeah. (Dang you, allone, you have me so confused...I don't know where my post is going either. Great.) posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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