»Women do not really have equal status to men yet...«

And YES, even in America, the "land of the free." Land of the fee (and taxes)

Why do I say this?

Because so many things of women's lives are still done according to men's point of view.

For example, why do women have to wear bras?
Why do women have to shave their legs?

You may think these are things not worth saying, but think about it. They're certainly not done because of women just feel like it... Nono

posted by nocturnal_anonymous

"NO CAPES!"

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interesting point, though it has been brought up onlyabout 16 million times in my eng. class and hist. class during the anchor.

nocturnal_anonymous:

Because so many things of women's lives are still done according to men's point of view.

For example, why do women have to wear bras?
Why do women have to shave their legs?

hmm, i would think its more of a personal opinion, a woman's opinion. i don't see how men fit into that.

posted by sangu

opinion

nocturnal_anonymous:

For example, why do women have to wear bras?
Why do women have to shave their legs?

sangu:

hmm, i would think its more of a personal opinion, a woman's opinion. i don't see how men fit into that.

well, alot of women wear sexy underwear and shave their legs for men. They may indeed like things, and come to wear/do these out of habit, but w/o men around many ladies aren't likely to wear sexy underwear and may stop shaving their legs for a while.

posted by volonteshiva

not really, i know alot of grils who do that stuff for other reasons...like they hate having hairy legs. you soundl ike a 1970s bra burner nocturnal...

posted by Agent Zero

Precisely

volonteshiva:

Precisely my point. Women do these things so they can be attractive to men.

Why do you think girls in China used to be forced to bind their feet and wear those freakin tiny shoes? It's because they needed to appear "sexy" to men in order for them to be married off.

Nowadays, of course, it's different, but the concept behind these things are still the same.

posted by nocturnal_anonymous

yeah but its there choice..who is feeding you these things that are not true. Woman of the generation oare obssesed with looking good, but its not the men telling them ot its the woman fashion magazines and comercials. take men out of it. they are not the ones who are going around saying this is the way you should look. YM and Vogue do that

posted by Agent Zero

there are many factors:

1. men, like NA pointed out. women do this to make them look "appeasing".
2. their own preference. some women prefer to do that, simply because they prefer that alternative
3. society's pressure; everyone's doing it so why don't i do it? it seems like the normal thing to do. also relates to Agent Zero's comment about fashion magazines and commercials telling you what to look like.

so overall, it is either a combination of these factors or simply one of them that make women do what they do.

posted by sangu

How do you know?

Agent Zero:

not really, i know alot of grils who do that stuff for other reasons...like they hate having hairy legs.

Society tells women it's sexy/normal to shave your legs. There are women in Europe and South America that are fine not shaving their legs or armpits because their society doesn't demand it of them for them to be "normal". Now with that said, I would prefer to be with a woman that shaved those 2 areas. Now sure, women that shave their legs don't like having hairy legs, but if they grew up being told it was ok to go "natural", they would likely be fine with it.

posted by volonteshiva

im sticking to my preveious comments on that...my lady friends hate having hairey legs..one girl i know didn't shave for a week and said it creeped her out to touch a hairy leg that was hers

posted by Agent Zero

say what?

Agent Zero:

take men out of it. they are not the ones who are going around saying this is the way you should look. YM and Vogue do that

Yes, men are saying that.

Who do you think runs/works at YM/Vogue? 100% women? Have you ever looked at/read one of those magazines? They set girls/women up to want to look like the models on the cover/inside. And those women being talked about/gossiped about are not doctors/scientists/etc. They are models/musicians/movie stars. People committed to looking good/sexy.

posted by volonteshiva

Re: well

Agent Zero:

im sticking to my preveious comments on that...my lady friends hate having hairey legs..one girl i know didn't shave for a week and said it creeped her out to touch a hairy leg that was hers

AZ, you have to look deeper than surface comments to find out why groups of people do the things they do. I'll say it again... sure a women that shaves her legs wants to keep doing that. But have her raised somewhere where they don't shave their legs, and it's likely she wouldn't care that much.

posted by volonteshiva

like what i said

sangu:

3. society's pressure; everyone's doing it so why don't i do it? it seems like the normal thing to do. also relates to Agent Zero's comment about fashion magazines and commercials telling you what to look like.

-this is V's point of view, but switched around a bit, saying what if it wasnt the normal thing to do, then things would be different.

sangu:

2. their own preference. some women prefer to do that, simply because they prefer that alternative

-and this is AZ's point of view.

sangu:

so overall, it is either a combination of these factors or simply one of them that make women do what they do.

and this is my point of view.

posted by sangu

Re: like what i said

sangu:

-this is V's point of view, but switched around a bit, saying what if it wasnt the normal thing to do, then things would be different.

sangu:

2. their own preference. some women prefer to do that, simply because they prefer that alternative

-and this is AZ's point of view.

sangu:

so overall, it is either a combination of these factors or simply one of them that make women do what they do.

and this is my point of view.

I am not exclusively married to positition 3. Certainly individual women will not always follow the norm and that's a great thing. However, I think the norm does often explain what the majority does. But that majority isn't 90% or anything. It might be as low at 60% or lower. Hard to say.

posted by volonteshiva

yeah i know

volonteshiva:

I am not exclusively married to positition 3

im generalizing, but trying to give a description that sort of fits it.

posted by sangu

Each woman is different. Yo cant all go off of one of them and think that's the average.

posted by Agent Zero

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