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today the killer of scottish teenager,jodi jones,was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years in prison. Luke Mitchell killed Jodi (his then girlfriend) by stabbing her over 50 times...cutting her open and also ramming the knife down her throat the judge described the murder "one of the worst cases of murder of a single victim to have come before the court in many years". but what was the motivation for the crime and what were the influences behind the attack for me this is where the justice system gets horribly skewed and misguided... as if you didn't see it coming...shock rocker marylin manson was once again bestowed with the alleged responsibility of motivating a child killer.. interestingly in this case it was not his music that is supposed to have unbalanced the boy but something on his website the feature in question is mansons artwork depicting the Black Dahlia murder ♣ which depicts the killing and mutilation of actress Elizabeth Short in 1947 although this case does seem to have been more balanced with regard to what led Luke Mitchell to kill his girlfriend than is seen in more coverage of young killer his abuse of cannabis as well as his upbringing were also cited as potential reasons for the urge to kill but lets look a bit at the ongoing trend of the media blame game when these tragic events occur probably the most high profile being the columbine high school shootings ♣ where once again marylin manson was blamed for being the driving force behind the murderers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold... here is mansons reply to those accusation...his piece makes fantastic reading and he deserves respect It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.
A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols. We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity. When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt. Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar. Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old? America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life." The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison. It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity? I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen. I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time. MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999) but music is not the only factor in the blame game...does anyone remember the great soundbite of the early nineties...video nastys ♣...where films such as driller killer ♣ were blamed for influencing violent behaviour the media made were frenetic about it and once again completely ignored the underlying factors and realities of the situation now in the modern playstation generation we have video games bearing the brunt of accusations where we hear the line trotted out by psychological experts "its the interactive factor that is different from films...you actually carry out the actions on screen" and what ever else it does games cited are of the usual crime style..Grand theft auto and more recently manhunt the later being blamed as the main motivation behind the murder of stephan pakeerah who was battered and stabbed to death by his friend warren leblanc allegedly after playing the game manhunt when will society realise that we cannot go on sticking the blame on scapegoats and take note that our society is fractured and intimidating at the best of times even for those who are "normal" and "fit in"... what im trying to put across os the feeling you get when going into town on a busy day and being in the middle of all the hustle and bustle that city centre brings...and still feeling utterly alone imagine how that must feel to people who live on the extremes and the fringes of society and who risk ridicule on a daily basis from not just their peers at school...but society as a whole admit it to yourself...you've all looked at someone in the street who doesnt fit into the bracket of "normal" and judged them for it... i guess its just far easier to blame something that most people have little understanding of...lambasting the things that bring many people some of the few comforts they might have in life...blaming the very thing that gave these people some sanctuary from the rage they feel at a society and in some cases a family that has shunned them and shunted them to the sidelines i look to the future and see the inevitable on the horizon...the next child killer...the next scapegoat...the society happy to alieviate itself of the responsibility and on and on it goes thanks for listening posted by the anomaly |
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guess that's the last time i bother posting a lengthy topic starter then posted by the anomaly |
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Well ive done studies on serial killers and most of them are normal as can be...to the naked eye, you look deeper and its a psychological problme. could be the same with people who mutilate bodies. i mean that makes me sick what the guy did, but you cant use marlyn manson as a scapegoat on this one, the guy knew what hje was gonna do. this makes me sick to my stomach to think about. posted by Agent Zero |
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the anomaly: guess that's the last time i bother posting a lengthy topic starter then You said everything there is to say. Good post. posted by knn |
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good post. i agree totally with it and cant think of anything to add posted by allone |
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awesome post anomaly-- take god out of schools & you can now learn about him in jail (ironic i sorta think), make morality subjective rather than objective & blame away evil through psychology (which is why i changed my major my jr year to accounting)... what are values & what defines right & wrong any more? oh, & don't forget the politically correctness of not labeling... don't hate the player, hate the game posted by miati |
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Picked this thread up on a "Luke Mitchell" Google alert. Have posted link to this thread under "Links to Discussion and Debate" : On site "Luke Mitchell Fact and Myth" : That's a valuable post, in Manson's own words. Good stuff. posted by Colin Bowman |
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thanks very much Colin Bowman... posted by the anomaly |
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the anomaly: his piece makes fantastic reading and he deserves respect Yes he does...and you do too! Wonderful post. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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the anomaly: here is mansons reply to those accusation...his piece makes fantastic reading and he deserves respect Definitely, I've always agreed with Marilyn Manson, you can always rely on a Capricorn to be down to earth. Great post too! posted by hungarian kid |
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The time now is 24 May 2012, 05:52 php B.B. |