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Are you people blind ? Greek arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning "male" and "bed". There's no other way to interpret that within biblical context so clearly outlined in old testament Law as well as other New Testament passages. Why would you call a car, eight ball or anything else by any other name, regardless of the epoch? Observing the insignificant little and overlooking the Whole. That's what your trying to do. It's absurd ! UC posted by Unkbown Christian |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsWhere does the bible write homosexuality is bad? |
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Well, I won't depart without giving you this link I found. Change or persish. That's about the only choice you've got. geocities.com... Uc posted by Unknown Christian |
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UC: Greek arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning "male" and "bed". Sorry UC, I don't follow you. From where are you getting this word "arsenokoites"? posted by Tiefling |
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Unknown Christian: Well, I won't depart without giving you this link I found. Uff, did you read ANY of the posts here? This link is worthless. It is a mere repetition of typical Christian statements without foundation. posted by knn |
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Unkbown Christian: Are you people blind ?
Greek arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning "male" and "bed". Yup, and "understand" is formed from "under" and "stand". Such an etymological approach is worthless as the statement that a "chairman" is a man sitting on a chair. Unkbown Christian: There's no other way to interpret that within biblical context so clearly outlined in old testament Law as well as other New Testament passages. There is. It's SIMPLY NOT KNOWN what "arsenkoites" means. Moreover there WERE words for "homosexuality" in Greek. So Paul could have used them. He didn't. posted by knn |
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Tiefling: Sorry UC, I don't follow you. From where are you getting this word "arsenokoites"? Tiefling, did you read any of the posts above? This whole thread is about this word. "Arsenkoites" is a sin Paul mentions in 1 Cor 6:9. Noone knows for sure what it means. Thus it is freely translated as "homosex", "perverted sex", "beastiality" whatever you want... posted by knn |
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But let me add that Christians don't care whether a practice is prohibited in the bible or not. They also forbid oral sex, masturbation, contraception, polygamy. Without ANY biblical basis. posted by knn |
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Unkbown Christian: Greek arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning "male" and "bed". Not quite: The second term arsenokoites is a compound noun, composed of arseno, literally "man," and koites meaning "sleeping." One of my colleagues literally translates it as "couch potato." The problem with this term is that it is used only twice in the Christian scriptures (1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10). There is outside use of the word that indicates some possible meaning of the word. In the Sibylline Oracle 2, "Do not steal seeds...Do not arsenkoitein, do not betray, do not murder." The term occurs in what Martin calls "economic sins, action related to economic injustice or exploitation." (Martin:1996:120). Dale Martin observes that arsenokoitein does not appear elsewhere in the text except where sexual sins are denounced. He finds a similar usage of arsenokoites in the Acts of John where it is listed among sins related to economic and injustice. In his Refutation of All Heresies, Hippolytus narrates how the evil angel Nass commits adultery with Eve and took Adam as his slave boy. Hippolytus uses the word arsenokoitia to denote Nass' relationship with Adam, implying that this is coercive and unjust use of another person sexually. Martin concludes from his survey of Greco-Roman and early Christian literature that arsenkoites refers "a particular role of exploiting others by means of sex, perhaps but not necessarily by homosexual sex." (Martin:1996:123) Christians have committed violence to people attracted to the samesex and still brutalized them over the mistranslation of these words. So maybe arsenkoites means
Something of that kind... posted by knn |
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knn: Tiefling, did you read any of the posts above? Yes. knn: This whole thread is about this word. This whole thread is about where in the bible homosexuality is declared to be bad. I didn't see this brief footnote of yours: knn: Interestingly the term "arsenokoites" that is translated as "homosexuals" is NOT derived from arse+koitus. Actually noone knows what it means. posted by Tiefling |
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Unkbown Christian: Greek arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning "male" and "bed". Hmmm...arsenokoites = malebed ...sounds like fun to me posted by a |
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Let me also add, THAT EVEN IF arsenkoites forbids homosexual sex, it only forbids MALE-MALE sex. Not female-female. posted by knn |
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Knn wrote: Quote: This link is worthless. It may be to you, but read the testimonials. They're by queer people, who've had the courage to change from a life of enslavement with the help of Christ and other caring Christians. So How is the link worthless or about Christians who abuse sinners ? Nope...you're simpleminded word tangling jsut won't do this time to pervert Holy Scripture. UC posted by Unknown Christian |
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Unknown Christian: It may be to you, but read the testimonials.
They're by queer people, who've had the courage to change from a life of enslavement with the help of Christ and other caring Christians. I meant "worthless" for this thread (= to find out where it's written in the bible). Of course this link may have value for somebody who converts or wants to find Jesus or something of the sort. And except for your (WRONG!) argument "arsen=man, koites=bed, thus arsenkoites=man-bedder=male and female homosexuals" you have not delivered any valid argument. Try harder, please. After all, no Christianity-hater has something against Christians trying to argue against homosex and pre-martial sex. It will speed up the diminishing of Christianity. It's like walking around and yelling "Bread is evil. Bread is evil. Eat only algea OR PERISH!". posted by knn |
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just read the link and i feel...SICK! it upsets me thart people as disgusting as that arent all locked up. gay people CAN'T change! you "gay converters" are the only ones who can change but you try to convince people that there is something wrong with them and if something is said to you enough times you start to believe it but it doesn't stop you being attracted to men(same sex). i feel that we should prehaps set up a website offering homophobes the chance to reform(i believe even you should have a second chance-that's how nice i am) but you homophobic christians are ruining your own religion as people are wising up so if you keep shouting your homophobic mouths off you'll destroy your religion from the inside. and that ruins it for non-homophobic christians(like, this may shock you as i'm not exactly a big christian lover, my best friend!). So you just carry on. posted by abandon hope |
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In response to the person who said that cross-dressing is not mentioned in the Bible: Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this. posted by galatians5one |
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The time now is 9 January 2009, 21:48 php B.B. |