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 stinkz: I most certainly know that He cannot be both God and not God! He can very well be god and no-god. He only needs a concept of time and willingness to waive his own powers/knowledge. stinkz: PROVING requires LOGIC. It does not. God could prove to you something by simply letting you know. Without any logic. A proof could also consist of penetration ("Open your mind and know"). Or of pain. There is not much logic involved when you shoot a bullet into the foot of a crocodile and it runs away. I doubt that the croc makes any logical assumptions. It goes just like "Coming closer -> Pain -> Run". Proof by pain. This applies also to single cells. posted by knn |
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| in-my-opinion.orgTechnology, Computers, Science, InternetScience (Assorted topics)Please tell something that is absolutely true |
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 knn: He can very well be god and no-god. He only needs a concept of time and willingness to waive his own powers/knowledge. That makes no sense. God cannot be God and cease to be God. If He has ceased being God, then he is not God. To claim otherwise is sheer stupidity. knn: It does not. Let it be stated for the record, that knn said that proofs require no logic. I have never heard a more ludicrous thing stated in all my life. You relativists can believe anything, I swear, as long as it suits your fancy. Please do not say anything about my use of the words "irrational" or "illogical" again, knn. You hardly know what they mean! posted by stinkz |
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 Ok one thing no one else seems to have recognised (mostly because Stinkz did not say it distinctly enough) is this: Stinkz does not think God can do the logically impossible. Why can't God make 1+1=3? Because God, for Stinkz, is the embodiment of logic, truth, beauty, goodness etc. This is why Stinkz felt that he had explained himself when he said "God cannot go against his own nature". Here's a better example than the 1+1=3 example. God cannot kill himself because it is a "logically necessary" aspect of God that he is immortal. As a result God would be going against his own nature to kill himself. However, some might argue that it is against the laws of logic that water can turn into wine or burn. Yet God has done both of these already! posted by fatpie42 |
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 stinkz: You have said many absurd things. And there you go again. Rather than recognize that personal attacks are not appropriate, you launch another. stinkz: I have never heard a more ludicrous thing stated in all my life. And then you launch another. stinkz: The only benefit I could see in posting elsewhere other than this forum The benefit you would get is that, if you feel the bulk of us are absurd, you wouldn't have to endure us any longer. The only other explanation is that you post just so that you can insult people. stinkz: Perhaps your plan is working: drive off opposing opinions with constant badgering. My plan is to get you to cease your personal attacks, or cease posting. Either way, I'll be pleased. I have no problems with your point of view. I enjoy debating with you. However, for some reason you feel it bolsters your argument to call people absurd or ludicrous. posted by Tiefling |
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knn: Thank you for describing god like someone who knows him well. Once again, this is not what I'm doing. I'm just not letting you call God nonsense. posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: Once again, this is not what I'm doing. I'm just not letting you call God nonsense. I think my statements make perfect sense. The point is merely that you disagree to accept that god can change. And you are free to do so. posted by knn |
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knn: I think my statements make perfect sense. The point is merely that you disagree to accept that god can change. And you are free to do so. This is not merely a disagreement. This is a misunderstanding. A belief in a God who can change himself and thus become not God is irrational. posted by stinkz |
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OK, enough. There is a whole thread devoted to this subject. You can't go around and post in every goddam topic the same thing: "Your belief is illogical". Go here: IMO → What powers does God have? IMO → God proof&Are Christians closer to truth than others? posted by knn |
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 stinkz: I most certainly know that He cannot be both God and not God! Except perhaps when he was Jesus. posted by Marl64 |
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 Marl64: Except perhaps when he was Jesus. Well the trinity is a complex thing. Did god leave his place to become Jesus? In other words: In the 33.5 years when Jesus lived was god absent for everyone else? Didn't god hear the prayers of mankind while he was in Jerusalem? I don't think so. As far as I know trinity means "God has three faces" and unfolds himself as Jesus. Jesus is the form he presents himself to the world. Thus Jesus was fully man and fully god. Thus one cannot claim that god was god and no-god. Thus it doens't breach logical limits. However it's highly within the realm of BELIEF. posted by knn |
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knn: Did god leave his place to become Jesus? In other words: In the 33.5 years when Jesus lived was god absent for everyone else? Didn't god hear the prayers of mankind while he was in Jerusalem? He can't have done if the bible is to be believed, since there are numerous accounts of Jesus Talking to God. Therefore Jesus is Not God knn: Jesus is the form he presents himself to the world...
...Thus Jesus was fully man and fully god. Precisely "I am the Father, he is me" and all that. Therefore Jesus is God knn: Thus one cannot claim that god was god and no-god. I would disagree. Jesus (as part of the Trinity) IS God, and yet talks to God as though it were a seperate thing. If Jesus can be fully man AND fully God, they why can't God be Fully Jesus and at the same time seperate from Jesus (the thing that jesus talks to). Or did Jesus simply talk to himself like some deranged madman? You're not gonna find your absolutes here 
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