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Login to vote. stinkz: If I have no right to claim he was not Christian, you have no right to claim that he was Wrong. He described himself as Christian. That makes it as good as for any other person. Many people think that Hitler was not a Christian. But let's listen to his own words: Here are some quotes from Hitler:
Astonishing words, from Adolf Hitler's mouth. If you didn't know that it was The Fueher, then it could be ANY Christian. Also think about: We must not forget that Hitler's own contemporaries, the highest Protestant and Catholic leaders (including Popes and Bishops) thought of Hitler as a Christian. How can one sit here, decades from his history, and judge against Hitler's Christianity, when his own fellow Christians thought of him as a Christian?
Like the Biblical God, Hitler created war and destruction. Similar to the Biblical laws against marrying outside one's group, the Nazi race laws outlawed Jews from marrying Aryan Germans as outlined in Hitler's private notes. Julius Streicher confessed that the race laws got based on Old Testament laws. Like the Biblical Jesus, Hitler did not live for peace. He created many divisions among the people. Like many Christians in the past and today, Hitler aimed to protect the image of the Lord. Like Christian leaders of the past, Hitler wished to unite the churches. He fought for his beliefs using the Lord as his justification. He created intolerance, divisions, and hatred as have Christians of the past. Hitler lived as a confessed Christian. He got brought up a Catholic and spoke and prayed as a Christian. He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind. Nothing in his rhetoric spoke against Christian faith. Although he did have a few Chrisitan enemies, they posed a political danger, not a religious threat. Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and Temples. But if for one moment you still harbor the thought that Hitler acted against Christ belief, then ask yourself why he never ordered the destruction of Catholic or Protestant churches? Why did he not prevent his Nazis from worshiping in Christian churches, but instead encouraged it? And why did he spend so much time in trying to strengthen and unite the religion into one Christian Reich Church? Even acknowledging Hitler's most atrocious acts as sinful cannot exclude him from Christianity. Tenets of Christian belief allege that all people sin and only redemtion through faith in Jesus Christ can absolve them. A Christian, therefore, can never use sin alone, regardless of how horrible or atrocious, as an argument against Hitler. Clearly, Hitler's own words reveal his Christian faith, and Christians must, by their own tenant and upheld by their Bible, not to judge others. Under all possible conditions then, Hitler lived and acted as a Christian and anyone who does not think so can only redefine Christianity from their own ignorance and denial. and Interestingly, most German Christians supported Hitler before and during the war. They felt empathy for him and loved him, sometimes, in messiah-like fashion. (There even exist news reels showing Hitler giving a laying-on-of-hands, Jesus-like, to his admiring German audience.) Although the German citizens may not have desired to kill their enemies themselves, they felt perfectly willing to support others to do the killing for Germany.
Even in the United States today, most Christians support a strong military and (as has been shown in the Gulf wars) will willingly condone the killing of others through "legal" war. Religious leaders such as Jerry Falwell, D. James Kennedy, Billy Graham, et al, preach the need to defend the Christian faith through war if necessary, and will even condone the "unfortunate but sometimes necessary" deaths of innocents. Please also note that Hitler was not excommunicated until now. posted by knn |
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How ironic that your info comes from "nobeliefs.com" posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: How ironic that your info comes from "nobeliefs.com" It's not ironic but probably typical, that Christians (and other biblical religions) are ashamed of their famous co-believers once the secular world points out how bad they were. It is the duty of the secular world to present the mirror. Probably the same will happen with USAma Bin Laden. posted by knn |
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knn: probably typical, that Christians (and other biblical religions) are ashamed of their famous co-believers And this has anything to do with the fact that your information comes, not from a news or unbiased website, but from an obviously anti-religious site? posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: And this has anything to do with the fact that your information comes, not from a news or unbiased website, but from an obviously anti-religious site? I, too, would have liked it more that it didn't come from such a site. But it doesn't change any of Adolf Hitler's words. posted by knn |
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Stinkz is just upset because Hitler shares rather a lot of his political views! *giggles* posted by fatpie42 |
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Full gun registration. Enlargement of the public education system. Animal rights. What Nazi political view do I adhere to, fatpie? As for Hitler being a Christian... "Their hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say without bothering the brains but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult - all this is the dangerous element and the element I have taken over. Don't you see that our party must be of this character?...An Order, that is what it has to be - an Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood." - Adolph Hitler posted by stinkz |
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stinkz: Full gun registration.
Enlargement of the public education system. Animal rights. Are you citing Hitler here? Hitler was vegetarian by the way. posted by knn |
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knn: Are you citing Hitler here? His regime supported the three things I stated. posted by stinkz |
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Its easy to justify anything if you say your doing it for God, pretty retarded. posted by Agent Zero |
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Well, what are the possibilities regarding Hitler? (1) Publicly Christian, privately Christian ("true believer") (2) Publicly Christian, privately non-Christian (public liar) (3) Publicly non-Christian, privately non-Christian (non-believer) (4) Publicly non-Christian, privately Christian (?) (I don't think anyone seriously considers (4), just adding it for completeness.) So Christians would argue (2) or (3) meaning that Hitler was a Christian only by words, not by deeds/beliefs, or was not a Christian at all. Atheists would argue (1) or (2), meaning that Hitler was either a true believer, or demonstrating the bad that can be done in the name of religion. What are the ramifications of each of these possibilities? (Feel free to ignore (4)). posted by Tiefling |
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Agent Zero: Its easy to justify anything if you say your doing it for God, pretty retarded. It's as easy as anybody else, including George W. Bush and the pope. What makes you sure that you won't think that Bush was a liar regarding his faith in a few years? posted by knn |
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Tiefling: (3) Publicly non-Christian, privately non-Christian (non-believer) This doesn't apply since Hitler was publically a Christian. The citations above are from his books and his public appearances. posted by knn |
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I concur, at least based on the quotes you presented. Unless we have further info, it sounds like he was either a "true" Christian or a "public" Christian, private non-believer. posted by Tiefling |
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knn: What makes you sure that you won't think that Bush was a liar regarding his faith in a few years? Because Bush hasn't done anything to justify remembering him as a fiend. Stop spreading your anti-Bush propaganda from thread to thread. Stay ontopic! posted by stinkz |
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