»God does not exist. Only for irresponsibles«

The only reason the idea of god ever came to be I think is because we could not figure out how all of this the universe and stuff came to be. So off course it must be GOD ohhh who created everything. And I don't have an attitude problem like someone said. It's just that a lot of people are being fooled and packed in like sheep and threatened, actually believing they will go to hell if they do certain things and that means that religious people are not free at all, but they think they are and if they are happy in their illusion then fine, good for them. I will probably not enter this discussion again because there is no point in discussing this. As long as people put their trust in god and not in themselves they are putting themselves on hold and not living a real life.

posted by seraphim

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seraphim...

seraphim:

The only reason the idea of god ever came to be I think is because we could not figure out how all of this the universe and stuff came to be. So off course it must be GOD ohhh who created everything.

You are a true believer in the Myth. Please visit "The Evolutionary Myth" thread.

seraphim:

actually believing they will go to hell if they do certain things and that means that religious people are not free at all

Believing in Justice does not undermine freedom, but instead is neccessary for it.

seraphim:

As long as people put their trust in god and not in themselves they are putting themselves on hold and not living a real life.

As long as people fully trust themselves, they will never realize they are imperfect and do not deserve to be trusted.

posted by stinkz

If popular thought feels 'science' to be different from all other kinds of knowledge because science is experimentally verifiable, it is mistaken.

Of course I should trust myself and not some fantasy being that probably don't even exist. He, she, it don't do shit for me I am on my own, and that going to hell if you don't do this or that stuff is a threat and has nothing to do with justice, and people are so stupid and fall for it.
Religion is putting people to sleep, transforming them to sheep. And of course noone is perfect silly did you really think I thought that. And no matter what you say God does nothing for you either. There are many experiments to prove god don't exist, or atleast make it highly unlikely. To use a very extreme example. One of your parents is taken hostage for some reason and you are scared to death and you pray to god with all your might and he still shoots your mom or dads head off, what is that all about, why is god doing that, letting it happen, I guess you are gonna give me the usual crap about ohh it was her time and stuff. Free your mind, live your own life, make your own desicions. You have the ability to change the world not god. Give it up. And if people are not to be trusted neither is their belief in god.,

posted by seraphim

seraphim

seraphim:

Religion is putting people to sleep, transforming them to sheep. And of course noone is perfect silly did you really think I thought that.

You obviously have never delved into philosophy yourself, and discovered that everything you have been taught has been latent with materialist, anti-religious propaganda. You may decide to think for yourself one day, and break free of this brainwashed opinion which has been forced down your throat.

seraphim:

There are many experiments to prove god don't exist

No experiment could possibly exist which disproves the supernatural. Such a statement is patently absurd.

seraphim:

Free your mind

This is what everyone seems to say when they want you to just throw away your own opinion to follow them. I always get a good laugh when atheists arbitrarily label themselves "free thinkers."

posted by stinkz

Well then I laugh too because religious people are prisoners. I have said it before and I will say it again you are sheep. And religion is what is being showed down peoples throats making them think that god is looking after them and stuff but that is not the case. And as I said the going to hell stuff is a threat and it is so incredibly ridiculous I have to laugh. And you didn't reply to this, if humans can't be trusted then neither can their belief in god can it?.
And please answer me about the hostage thing too. Does god want your parents to die if that were to happen?. And you are the brainwashed not me, sorry sheep.

posted by seraphim

seraphim

seraphim:

Well then I laugh too because religious people are prisoners

You are obviously a slave to this mindset. You state this opinion over and over, and don't back it up. What exactly are religious people prisoners of? Morality? Self-control?

seraphim:

And as I said the going to hell stuff is a threat and it is so incredibly ridiculous I have to laugh.

Neither the promise of heaven, nor the threat of hell has ever kept anyone a Christian. No one can be frightened of a place they don't believe exists. It is only when people's idea of justice starts getting to them, towards the end of their life, when they remember the many immoral things they have done, that they begin to fear a Just God. And when they do, it is not a vague idea of "Hell" they are fearing, it is Justice.

Many people believe that Justice and Morality are not ideas which are "merely human." They believe that ultimate reality is, in fact, Just. And, therefore, they may fear Just punishment. This is not an irrational fear pushed on them by religion. This is a rational fear and a natural outworking of their belief in Justice.

seraphim:

And please answer me about the hostage thing too. Does god want your parents to die if that were to happen

It is obvious that God allows pain and death in this world. You may choose to immediately jump to the conclusion that God is unjust and evil, but not everyone does.

posted by stinkz

Please respond to the one thing you have been avoiding. If people, as you said, are not to be trusted then neither is their belief in god, or?.

posted by seraphim

Fear of hell

Someone can be frightened of a place they think MIGHT exist. For those who do not believe the truth of Christianity, the doctrine can act as a threat. After all who is the doctrine of hell aimed at, but non-Christians?

posted by fatpie42

If god doesn't exist: Is it dangerous to pray?

seraphim:

As long as people put their trust in god and not in themselves they are putting themselves on hold and not living a real life.

It could be even worse. Because if the god they pray to does not exist then what are the people doing? They are weakening themselves. Thus belief in higher gods would be not only a SIGN of something (sign of fear, irresponsibility, madness, alcoholism etc) and not only WRONG, but also contra-productive and DANGEROUS.

And that Christians are dangerous is proven by Christian history.

posted by knn

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Wrong again

stinkz:

You are a true believer in the Myth.

Says who? Oh, you stinkz, the believer in another myth. You can;t even prove that your favourite jew LIVED, yet you accuse other of believing in myths.

stinkz:

Believing in Justice does not undermine freedom, but instead is neccessary for it.

Wrong. To believe in justice undermines your freedom to believe in freedom from justice. But that's another topic.

stinkz:

As long as people fully trust themselves, they will never realize they are imperfect and do not deserve to be trusted.

I find statements that emphasize that humans are imperfect and only god is perfect very destructive. ALthough this might be technically true, the emphasis is very destructive. The emphasis on enhancement and ability is constructive.

posted by knn

Disprove god

seraphim:

There are many experiments to prove god don't exist

That is not true. There can't be anything that proves that something else doesn't exist (that's by the way the suppressive claim that the USA made: "Iraq, prove you have NO WMDs", but that's another topic).
Oh, yes stinkz says it:

stinkz:

No experiment could possibly exist which disproves the supernatural. Such a statement is patently absurd.

Yup.

posted by knn

The myth of Satan

stinkz:

You obviously have never delved into philosophy yourself, and discovered that everything you have been taught has been latent with materialist, anti-religious propaganda.

This is a very "show-off claim".

Imagine someone says: "I don't believe in pink elephants who have created the moon" and you state: "You brainwashed, ignorant materialist. It takes years to study pinkoelephantology".

Stinkz, every study of religion is PSEUDO-KNOWLEDGE, except in the case where religion deals with concrete (subjective or objective) effects. How can ANYONE study Jesus' life? It's all based on the unprovable assumption that Jesus lived and the bible is true.

Thus EVERYONE has the right to state: "I do NOT believe in god and I do NOT care how long you have studied pink elephants. Your study doesn't mean ANYTHING. You can have a diploma in pinkoelephantology and I still think they don't exist."

stinkz:

Neither the promise of heaven, nor the threat of hell has ever kept anyone a Christian.

I have no clue what you are talking about. But the prospect of a better life after earth is THE BASIC AND MAJOR force of Christianity. But this is offtopic here.

stinkz:

It is obvious that God allows pain and death in this world. You may choose to immediately jump to the conclusion that God is unjust and evil, but not everyone does.

If god allows Satan (hell, he created him) and Satan causes pain then Seraphim could answer: "You see? The myth of god allone is not enough, now you have to create the myth of Satan".

posted by knn

Stinkz I am waiting. If people, as you said, are not to be trusted then neither is their belief in god, or?.

posted by seraphim

Re: Disprove god

knn:

Oh, yes stinkz says it:

stinkz:

No experiment could possibly exist which disproves the supernatural. Such a statement is patently absurd.

Yup.

See, Stinkz. Sometimes we do all agree with things you say! Just not very often that's all Wink

(I agree too btw. You can't disprove the existence of the supernatural with a (scientific) experiment.)

posted by fatpie42

"The beauty of the Superman came to me as a shadow. What are the gods to me now!"

knn:

And that Christians are dangerous is proven by Christian history.

Stop stating anti-Christian propaganda. If you must post it, post it in related threads.

knn:

Says who? Oh, you stinkz, the believer in another myth. You can;t even prove that your favourite jew LIVED, yet you accuse other of believing in myths.

Yes. Because unlike most everyone here, I can justify my belief in the True Myth. You and everyone else seem to be having a tough time justifying your belief in "The Evolutionary Myth" thread.

knn:

To believe in justice undermines your freedom to believe in freedom from justice. But that's another topic.

If you believe Justice hinders freedom, you are more messed up than even I had suspected.

knn:

No doubt it is devastating to your pride, knn. But, before spiritual growth is possible, your pride is the first thing that has to go.

knn:

Imagine someone says: "I don't believe in pink elephants who have created the moon" and you state: "You breainwashed, ignorant materialist. It takes years to study pinkoelephantology"

This is a very idiotic claim, similar to others you've posted in other threads. Materialism is a puerile philosophy. It takes no Theological knowledge to realize this. It is easily overcome with a little rational thought.

knn:

But the prospect of a better life after earth is THE BASIC AND MAJOR foprce of Christianity.

For someone who obviously knows so little about Christianity, you sure do love to state what the "basis" of it is an aweful lot. You are wrong again, as usual.

And, hopefully you weren't looking for a way out of a rebuttal by saying "but this is offtopic here" after your statement. That would be a bit ridiculous. If it was offtopic, you shouldn't have said anything. But we know how hard it is for you to keep your opinions out of any subject matter.

posted by stinkz

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