»Ripperology- the Study of Jack the Ripper«
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Have any of you researched the Jack the Ripper murders? If so, what are your opinions? Please include a link or book reference to bolster your postition. I think Arthur Conan Doyle (author of the Sherlock Holmes stories) was Jack the Ripper. I have begun posting on this site  under the following topic  On that site, I am Police Constable Keith Eng Ellington. But I would like to discuss it here as well. One hint to people who may flame me for my suppositions: I won't respond unless you present verifiable evidence. Let's debate. posted by sleuthslayer |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPolitics and Crime (Assorted topics)Ripperology- the Study of Jack the Ripper |
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I really want to debate this here...don't want this topic to die! We must discover the identity of the person who did this to this young lady! Here is a postmortem picture of one Mary Jane Kelly, the last of the five "canonical" victims of the Whitechapel Murderer, aka Jack the Ripper. Didn't think it was this bad, did you? Well, it was. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by sleuthslayer |
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 i would talk about this subject, but i don't know anything about it. all i know is what i have seen on TV, on programs that show on the history channel and so on. and the movie i would really like to know more, i just am not very well educated on the subject to really say anything that would matter. would you mind sharing with us all that you know, or the theories that you have? posted by allone |
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I think that, given the amount of factual and conjectural knowledge that exists about this case, and the amount of research I have done, it would be impossible to summarize effectively. This is especially true since there is bound to be some bias in my interpretation of events, because I basically have made up my mind who I think did it. A good introduction to the case is here, allone:  There are literally hundreds of suspects, and not all of them are impossible, either. The casebook.org debates are very tough, but if you keep your wits about you, you can convince people that your suspect should at least be considered. One thing I would say is: I ignore anything I hear about the Ripper writing letters to the press unless it is directly linked to the murders. In my opinion, these letters were all almost certainly hoaxes perpetrated by one or more journalists or pranksters, despite what Patricia Cornwell claims in her book Portrait of a Killer. The main thing to understand about the Ripper letters is that every time a crime is committed even today, tons of people confess to it, either anonymously or giving their names, just for kicks. Still, I would encourage you all to read Cornwell's book if you are interested, just to see what the standard line of reasoning is in this case, i.e."My suspect did it because he hated women and was evil!" I think Doyle makes a good suspect for several reasons: 1] He was a surgeon, which means he had the skills to kill with a knife. 2] Although he did not live in London at the time of the murders, he did live in Southsea, which is not terribly far from London, and had a reason to be in London at the time...he was shopping his novel Micah Clarke around to publishers. The whereabouts of Doyle during the exact times of the murders are still unestablished. 3] Doyle's father suffered from a psychotic disorder, and it is generally accepted among scientists that these things can run in families. I am running out of steam, but you can read the rest of my arguments at Thanks for your interest, allone. -s- posted by sleuthslayer |
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 It was Francis Tumblety or Aaron Kosminski. posted by knn |
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knn: It was Francis Tumblety or Aaron Kosminski. And your evidence or arguments are? These are very viable suspects, knn. posted by sleuthslayer |
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All the reasons are written at  I once downloaded his pamphlet "The Kidnapping of Dr. Tumblety" some months ago (which was hard to find), but I couldn't find any relation to Jack unfortunately. Aaron Kosminski is a likely suspect because he lived in the area (just a few streets away), and the murders stopped onces he was delivered into the madhouse. Immediately after he was locked away the police stopped the investigation (6 weeks after the last murder). He was a jew, thus the police had a valid reason not to tell his identity, since that would have caused some "revenge killings" of jews. posted by knn |
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knn: Aaron Kosminski is a likely suspect because he lived in the area (just a few streets away), and the murders stopped onces he was delivered into the madhouse.
Immediately after he was locked away the police stopped the investigation. Which murders are you referring to? Those of the "canonical" victims of 1888? Because Ripper-type murders continued into the next few years, e.g...   Also, I don't know when Kosminski was institutionalized...can you provide a reference? posted by sleuthslayer |
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sleuthslayer: Which murders are you referring to? Those of the "canonical" victims of 1888? Because Ripper-type murders continued into the next few years Of course only the canonical. Now, if you claim that there are more murders committed by Jack the Ripper than the murders subscribed to Jack the Ripper then you open Pandora's box. Just check out the long list of non-canonical victims at  I count at least 12 more victims. sleuthslayer: Also, I don't know when Kosminski was institutionalized...can you provide a reference? Police stopped investigations Christmas 1888. Only 6 weeks after the last murder. This is a real hint that the police knew who Ripper Jack was. Moreover Kosminski was identified by Schwartz as the man he saw on the crime scene, but Schwarz refused to repeat his statement in front of the court against a fellow jew. So they had to let Kosminski go. But he stayed under heavy observation of the police. Since then no Ripper-Like murder happened. In 1889 he was taken to a mental institution (lunatic asylum). posted by knn |
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knn: sleuthslayer: Which murders are you referring to? Those of the "canonical" victims of 1888? Because Ripper-type murders continued into the next few years Now if you clainm that there are more murders committed by Jack the Ripper than the murders subscribed to Jack the Ripper then you open Pandora's box. I like to do that. knn: sleuthslayer: Also, I don't know when Kosminski was institutionalized...can you provide a reference? Police stopped investigations Christmas 1888. Only 6 weeks after the last murder. This is a real hint that the police knew who Ripper Jack was. Moreover Kosminski was identified by Schwartz as the man he saw on the crime scene, but Schwarz refused to repeat his statement in front of the court against a fellow jew. So they had to let Kosminski go. But he stayed under heavy observation of the police. Since then no Ripper-Like murder happened. In 1889 he was taken to a mental institution (lunatic asylum). Or a hint that they had found a scapegoat. And...where's that reference? I looked in my books, but was unable to find it. The Ripper books are not the most well organized monographs in the world... posted by sleuthslayer |
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 sleuthslayer: And...where's that reference? It was from a TV report that I have recorded. I just watched it a few minutes ago and repeated the statements of John Ross, the curator of the Crime Museum in London. posted by knn |
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 knn: Police stopped investigations Christmas 1888. Only 6 weeks after the last murder. This is a real hint that the police knew who Ripper Jack was.
Moreover Kosminski was identified by Schwartz as the man he saw on the crime scene, but Schwarz refused to repeat his statement in front of the court against a fellow jew. So they had to let Kosminski go. But he stayed under heavy observation of the police. Since then no Ripper-Like murder happened. In 1889 he was taken to a mental institution (lunatic asylum). If that's true, the I've actually never understood why's the "Jack the Ripper" case so special, there're so many other serial killers chasing ppl in the history too. I think the Brittish media gives this much attention to the case b/c they want to attract tourists to London. 
posted by a |
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 a: I've actually never understood why's the "Jack the Ripper" case so special, there're so many other serial killers chasing ppl in the history too.
I think these are pretty good ingredients to make a good story. posted by knn |
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 knn:
Not really knn. First serial killer to become a media sensation , perhaps, because look here: Elizabeth Báthory (married Elizabeth Nádasdy; Báthory Erzsébét in Hungarian, Albeta Bátoriová-Nádady in Slovak, August 7?, 1560 - August 21, 1614), the Bloody Lady of Čachtice, was a Hungarian countess. She is considered the most famous serial killer in Slovak and Hungarian history. She spent most of her life at the Čachtice Castle. She and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing numerous girls and young women (20 - 2000 victims, depending on the source). In 1610, she was imprisoned in solitary confinement, where she stayed until her death four years later. Her nobility permitted her to avoid an immediate execution. However, her alleged collaborators were executed.
Various legends about her life, including the idea that she bathed in or drank the blood of servant girls, are thought by some to have been the origin of numerous vampire myths, the Dracula story, and the trope of the sexually sadistic vampiress in particular. BTW everybody who is going to read this thread now who has since gotten to know me, I was "sleuthslayer" and I still think Arthur Conan Doyle was Jack the Ripper! 
posted by MindSlave |
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MindSlave: Not really knn. First serial killer to become a media sensation , perhaps, because look here: Yes, yes, I know. Of course there have been serial killers in the mediaval age or 2000 years ago. But that doesn't count. And I doubt it that 1620 they had methods to know who murdered whom. posted by knn |
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