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Was Jesus Communist?

    
• I don't know
40%
 40%  [ 2 ]
• He was none of the above
40%
 40%  [ 2 ]
• Yes, he was a Communist
20%
 20%  [ 1 ]
• No, he was Capitalist
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
• No, he was a Socialist
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Number of users, who voted: 5
Number of counted votes: 5




Pawnatron:
If jesus says in the bible "Woman should be equal to man" then yes he might be considered a feminist...

But he doesn't. And he also doesn't say "You should make money with shares".
Pawnatron:
But I did hear you say you where going to delete it...

Where did I say that?


posted by knn
  

in-my-opinion.org -> Religion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolves -> Religious & Philosophical Topics -> Was Jesus a Communist?



knn:
And I am about to close this poll if Pawnatron doesn't contribute.

I can also start a thread:
Was Jesus
(o) Gay
(o) Pedophile
(o) Pervert
(o) I don't know

without any contributing any background info...

Am I misunderstanding something?

I might...sorry...

Also I'm sorry for calling you a moron...youre not a moron...I was just realy pissed that day...

and I was also drunk...and using drugs... Hear, hear

But I'm sorry if i cant explain how this poll question makes sense because of lack of english vocabulary...

But it is a fairly popular question...

And i have had all kinds of debates and noone ever says "uh...well...communism didnšt exist then"

because people still understand the question...

So i won't change the poll a bit...except maybe add "neither" which i should have done but didn't because of lack of time...

But i won't change the rest and that's when you are going to delete it...

I guess...


posted by Pawnatron
  The Chief of this forum will call me a genius, move me to Moscow, and give me a
million bucks hard currency



The problem with communist states is that they were socialist. Socialism is the government controlling the various organisations of the state. It seems that the idealised communism is closer to anarchism than socialism. In a small commune justice is not ensured by a governing body. In a small commune, justice is ensured by a common sense of goodwill and brotherhood.

Some anarchists feel that if the government were removed communities with this kind of ethos could flourish. Personally I think that a certain amount of governing control IS necessary, but that the governing body must always be answerable to the people.

Jesus did not try to overthrow the governing body and he did not ask everyone to leave the towns and make communes somewhere else. Thus I conclude (rather sketchily I'll admit) Jesus was not a socialist, anarchist or a communist.

posted by fatpie42
  "The beauty of the Superman came to me as a shadow. What are the gods to me now!"



fatpie42:
Jesus did not try to overthrow the governing body and he did not ask everyone to leave the towns and make communes somewhere else. Thus I conclude (rather sketchily I'll admit) Jesus was not a socialist, anarchist or a communist.

In fact what comes closest is "Jesus was a terrorist" White laugh


posted by knn
  



knn:
According to the bible, Jesus was in favor of loving your fellow man and giving to the needy. He was against the hoarding of wealth.

Where does it say so? It doesn't.

Matthew 19:23-24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


knn:
Why not? The communist party of Russia and Kim Jong Il are good examples, that being rich at the expense of others can be very communistic.

We're talking about the way things work in theory, versus the way things work in practice. In theory, politicians are honorable, and are trying to better their country and defend their constituents. In practice, many politicians are self-serving or corrupt.
knn:
Otherwise there wouldn't be any Christian millionairs nowadays...

And according to the Bible, there shouldn't be many, as it's very hard for a rich man to go to heaven.
knn:
In fact capitalism and communism is the same thing with different facettes: It's "Making others work for yourself".

Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's the attitude of "Make others work for yourself," that *doomed* communism, at least in the USSR.
knn:
The opposite of communism would be "A world where everybody works for himself without caring for the other", which is not capitalism, but AGAIN anarchy.

Capitalism is an economic system. Anarchy is a form of government (or lack thereof).
knn:
A statement like "Jesus is a communist" is a slap in the face of every suppressed Christian

Wrong. Communism does not require atheism. Communism does not require the suppression of Christians.


posted by Tiefling
  



Tiefling:
knn:
According to the bible, Jesus was in favor of loving your fellow man and giving to the needy. He was against the hoarding of wealth.
Where does it say so? It doesn't.

Matthew 19:23-24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.



And where is Jesus against the hoarding of wealth? He merely says that money can be very seducing nothing more.


posted by knn
  



Tiefling:
knn:
In fact capitalism and communism is the same thing with different facettes: It's "Making others work for yourself".

Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's the attitude of "Make others work for yourself," that *doomed* communism, at least in the USSR.

No, I think that the doom of communism lies in communism itself. It doesn't work BECAUSE IT FAILS ON ITS WAY. Thus it doesn't matter whether a hypothetical communism would work. All concrete communisms didn't work so that's enough proof, that communism doens't need to be doomed. It's simply not working.


posted by knn
  



Tiefling:
knn:
A statement like "Jesus is a communist" is a slap in the face of every suppressed Christian

Wrong. Communism does not require atheism. Communism does not require the suppression of Christians.

THEORETICALLY.

Name PRACTICALLY a communistic state with flourishing religious freedoms. Communism and religion do NOT go along well. Or do you think that Kim Jong Il is a fan of religious freedoms?

Thus Jesus could never ever be a communist.


posted by knn
  



Actually the defending of communism reminds of the defending of Christianity.

KNN: "Christianity killed thousands"
Christ: "No, No, Wrong. That weren't Christians. Jesus would not have allowed crusades..."

KNN: "Communism killed 100 million"
Communist: "No, No, Wrong. That wasn't communism. Communism was corrupted by selfish people".

If ideal communism/Christianity exists only in theory and fails always on its way to completion then the only communism we can talk about is the one the the world has experienced and not some idealistic picture.

Thus calling Jesus a communist is the same as "Jesus is a Leninist, Stalinist, Kim Jong Ilist, Maso Tse Tungist"

posted by knn
  

that's not communism


knn:
Tiefling:
knn:
A statement like "Jesus is a communist" is a slap in the face of every suppressed Christian

Wrong. Communism does not require atheism. Communism does not require the suppression of Christians.

THEORETICALLY.

Name PRACTICALLY a communistic state with flourishing religious freedoms. Communism and religion do NOT go along well. Or do you think that Kim Jong Il is a fan of religious freedoms?

Thus Jesus could never ever be a communist.

But that's not communism that's one person not allowing certain religions who claims to follow a communist point of view.


posted by Kupov
  



Kupov2:
But that's not communism that's one person not allowing certain religions who claims to follow a communist point of view.

As I wrote: You make an illegitimate differentiation.


posted by knn
  

Re: that's not communism


Oh knn you posted just before me making my post obselete. You posted seconds before me when i read your other post i replied then when mine was done there was another post before mine.

posted by Kupov
  

no point


knn:
And where is Jesus against the hoarding of wealth? He merely says that money can be very seducing nothing more.

knn, I knew you were going to deny that that Bible verse was proof. I almost didn't even bother responding to you, because it's basically pointless to do so in most cases.

I could state that the earth is round, and post proof of it, and you'll claim that I'm wrong.

Tiefling out. This discussion is, once again, pointless.


posted by Tiefling
  



Tiefling:
knn, I knew you were going to deny that that Bible verse was proof. I almost didn't even bother responding to you, because it's basically pointless to do so in most cases.

Look, if you claim that Jesus is against hoarding wealth then you need to show it. Only very few Christian denominations have something against being rich/having money.

I know of no Christian religion that claims that millionairs are sinners because they are millionairs.


posted by knn
  



OK, I have added "Neither" now.

posted by knn
  



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