»Is communism an ideology or an economic system?«
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 Post your ideas here. I basically start this poll because I disagreed with Tiefling's description of "socialism is an economic system" and "communism is an economic system" at IMO → Was Jesus a Communist?#36450 In my view communism is much more than just a description for a certain kind of economics. Communism is an umbrella term for all levels of political and social life with some typical socio-political patterns
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPolitics and Crime (Assorted topics)Is communism an ideology or an economic system? |
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 Yes, communism is also an ideology. I never claimed otherwise. But socialism, communism, and capitalism, when compared, all have one thing in common --- they are all economic systems. And theocracy lacks that trait. Theocracy is a government type, not an economic system. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: But socialism, communism, and capitalism, when compared, all have one thing in common --- they are all economic systems. Yes, I agree. But you also can say that when compared altogether can be also said to be ideologies. posted by knn |
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 So communism is both an economic system and an ideology... Where is the real debate here? Perhaps if the topic was renamed to: "What are the defining characteristics/compartive terms for a social system?" Or perhaps not.  posted by volonteshiva |
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knn: But you also can say that when compared altogether can be also said to be ideologies. You can also say that they're nouns. You can also say that they're words. You can also say that they all end in "ism". But those clearly aren't the aspects which are being discussed. The question clearly isn't, "Of all these words that end in "ism", which is your favorite?" posted by Tiefling |
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 We have a saying here in iceland which goes "Ašeins ķ orši en ekki į borši" Translation: Only in word but not on table.. It sound better in icelandic because then it rhymes... "Orši - Borši" T: "Word - Table" Basicly what is means is that sure, communism sounds nice and all but still...it will never ever work...or exist in the very meaning of the concept... ...It's just like saying "Oh man, I which I lived in a world where every one could be happy" Sure it would be nice, but it won't ever happen... And I am so sure about this I can rule out that stupid "Well...maybe one day in the future" crap... "You never know what might happen in the future" 
Communism is just a realistic as Peters Pans world where he never has to grow up and he can also be happy... __________________________________________ "if your not a communist by the age of 20 you have no heart, but if your not a Capitalist by the age of 30 you have no brain"  posted by Pawnatron |
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Pawnatron: Communism is just a realistic as Peters Pans world where he never has to grow up and he can also be happy... And I'm sure the monarchies said the same thing about democracy when the United States was formed. Regardless, though, I'm not arguing or even discussing whether or not communism would work in theory. My point is that whatever else it may be, socialism is an economic system; that theocracy is not an economic system, but a governmental system instead; and that when capitalism, communism, and socialism are being compared, the subject under discussion is economic systems. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: Pawnatron: Communism is just a realistic as Peters Pans world where he never has to grow up and he can also be happy... And I'm sure the monarchies said the same thing about democracy when the United States was formed. What? Why are so sure they must have said that? Democracy is based on something more that the idea of everybody being equal... Democrasy is much more realistic then Neverland... Communism is not... We can point to countrys and say "Yeah...that's democracy..." Some might say we can point to other countrys and find communism...like Cuba and Soviet Russia... But that's not communism in the true sense of the word... Some call Soviet Russia Stalinsm and Cuba...well...I don't know what they call Cuba, Stalinsm maybe also... Uhm...Still...I don't know that much about the subject so I'm going to stop before I shoot myself in the leg... posted by Pawnatron |
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Pawnatron: Democracy is based on something more that the idea of everybody being equal... And you hit the idea on the head! Monarchies are based on the idea that everybody is NOT equal. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: Pawnatron: Democracy is based on something more that the idea of everybody being equal... And you hit the idea on the head! Monarchies are based on the idea that everybody is NOT equal. Yes...? Ok? that's my point... That "everybody being equal" is far more un-realistic then everyone NOT being equal... So..I uhm, i don't see why you are telling me this... Are you just telling me this or is this a part of some kind of debate thing? posted by Pawnatron |
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You said that communism is unrealistic. I said that monarchies must have thought democracy was unrealistic. You said that democracy is based upon, in addition to other things, the concept of everyone being equal. I said that this is what made it so different from monarchies. Thus, my point --- monarchies probably thought democracy was unrealistic, because of how different it was from them in principle. And yet, democracy turned out ok. Therefore, assuming that an ideology is unrealistic because it is idealistic is erroneous. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: You said that communism is unrealistic. I said that monarchies must have thought democracy was unrealistic. You said that democracy is based upon, in addition to other things, the concept of everyone being equal. I said that this is what made it so different from monarchies.
Thus, my point --- monarchies probably thought democracy was unrealistic, because of how different it was from them in principle. And yet, democracy turned out ok. Therefore, assuming that an ideology is unrealistic because it is idealistic is erroneous. You talk smart word... I hope my lack of english isn't making me sound like a fool but, take democracy... Some guys didn't think that it would work...but then it did... Then look at communism...some guys thought that would not work either...and it didn't... that's the difference... _______________________________________ democracy: A: I like coke, and there is nothing that can ever be as good as Coke B: But what about Sprite? * Opens a bottle of Sprite* A: Mmmm, this is very good B: yes A: Sprite is better then coke! = Sprite Excists --------------------------------- Communism: A: I like coke, and there is nothing that can ever be as good as Coke B But what about sprite? * Opens a bottle of sprite * A: YUCK! This drinks tastes like blood, it is Satans sperm 
B: Oh... A: Coke is better then Sprite B: But that was not real Sprite, this Sprite had mud in it. A: So can i have a real sprite? B: Uhm, yeah...sure... A: Ok...so...when can i have it? B: Have what? A: Sprite...real sprite... B: yeah...you can have it when everyone is equal and we have peace on earth...and you never have to become a grownup... A: That won't ever happen = Real Sprite does not excist ______________________________________________________ And sorry Tiefling if you take this "example" as me be being a smart-ass or me trying to undermime you.. that is not my intent... And this is based on the fact that i believe! that communism wont ever work...but that is just my opinin... posted by Pawnatron |
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Tiefling: You said that communism is unrealistic. I said that monarchies must have thought democracy was unrealistic. You said that democracy is based upon, in addition to other things, the concept of everyone being equal. I said that this is what made it so different from monarchies.
Thus, my point --- monarchies probably thought democracy was unrealistic, because of how different it was from them in principle. And yet, democracy turned out ok. Therefore, assuming that an ideology is unrealistic because it is idealistic is erroneous. You talk smart word... I hope my lack of english isn't making me sound like a fool but, take democracy... Some guys didn't think that it would work...but then it did... Then look at communism...some guys thought that would not work either...and it didn't... that's the difference... _______________________________________ Democracy: A: I like coke, and there is nothing that can ever be as good as Coke B: But what about Sprite? * Opens a bottle of Sprite* A: Mmmm, this is very good B: yes A: Sprite is better then coke! = Sprite Excists --------------------------------- Communism: A: I like coke, and there is nothing that can ever be as good as Coke B But what about sprite? * Opens a bottle of sprite * A: YUCK! This drink tastes like blood, This must be Satans sperm!
B: Oh... A: Coke is better then Sprite B: But that was not real Sprite, this Sprite had mud in it. A: Oh, so can I have a real sprite? B: Uhm, yeah...sure... A: Ok...so...when can i have it? B: Have what? A: Sprite...real sprite... B: yeah...you can have it when everyone is equal and we have peace on earth...and you never have to become a grownup... A: That won't ever happen = Real Sprite does not excist ______________________________________________________ And sorry Tiefling if you take this "example" as me be being a smart-ass or me trying to undermime you.. that is not my intent... And this is based on the fact that i believe! that communism wont ever work...but that is just my opinion... posted by Pawnatron |
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Understood, and no offense taken. First, though, this thread isn't on the subject of whether or not communism would work. Second, it seems to be working just fine in the People's Republic of China. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: Understood, and no offense taken.
First, though, this thread isn't on the subject of whether or not communism would work. Second, it seems to be working just fine in the People's Republic of China. uhmm...China? Not so sure about that...My dad went to china and said it was horrible... But i'm not going to discuss it because i don't know that much about it.. But yeah the thread is not about Communism being un-realistic... But i'm just saying it's both Idealistic And! unrealistic... posted by Pawnatron |
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