»If you rob a convenient store...«
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 OK, when a guy goes to a convenient store, takes out a gun a screams "GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY!" Then that would be a robbery... But what about when some guy goes to a store, pulls out a realy big gun and the clerk shouts "Please don't shoot me you can take what ever you want" and the guy with the gun does... would that technically be a robbery? because the clerk did say "Take what ever you want" Maybe the guy with the gun was just taking out the gun to shoot a bottle of coke...or show the clerk "My new gun" Maybe nobody says in real life "Take all you want" ...but you see it all the time in the movies... 
So it must be real. posted by Pawnatron |
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| in-my-opinion.orgMiscAnything that doesn't fit in any other categoryIf you rob a convenient store... |
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In the US, if you even pretend to have a gun and try to rob somebody, I think it's called strong-arm robbery. If you take out your gun for no good reason, it's reckless display of a firearm. However, if you don't take out your gun - i.e. leave it in your pocket - and you don't have a concealed weapons permit, that's carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. In Florida, they just passed a law saying that if you feel threatened, you can shoot somebody. Before you had to have no avenue of escape - nowhere to run - before you could shoot. Now you don't even have to try to run away. Florida is the first American state to pass such a law. Expect more to come. posted by holy_of_holies |
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 Pawnatron: But what about when some guy goes to a store, pulls out a realy big gun and the clerk shouts "Please don't shoot me you can take what ever you want"
and the guy with the gun does... would that technically be a robbery? because the clerk did say "Take what ever you want" Of course it is a robbery. Otherwise you could torture someone and it wouldn't be murder if he begs you to kill him to end the pain. posted by knn |
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knn: Pawnatron: But what about when some guy goes to a store, pulls out a realy big gun and the clerk shouts "Please don't shoot me you can take what ever you want"
and the guy with the gun does... would that technically be a robbery? because the clerk did say "Take what ever you want" Of course it is a robbery. Otherwise you could torture someone and it wouldn't be murder if he begs you to kill him to end the pain. that's because murder is murder... if you walk up to me and say "Kill me" and i do it it would be murder. But If you are a clerk and i walk into your shop and you say "Take all you want" And i do...does that make it a robbery? posted by Pawnatron |
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Pawnatron: that's because murder is murder... OK, then replace "Kill me" by "Burn my house". Of course it is forbidden, because you threaten someone. posted by knn |
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knn: Pawnatron: that's because murder is murder... OK, then replace "Kill me" by "Burn my house". Of course it is forbidden, because you threaten someone. What? What the hell are you talking about? Now you are telling me that arson is forbidden because it is a threat? Yeah so? Taking out a gun in a store is not a real "threat" and yeah sure that would be forbidden... But I am not asking if taking out the gun is forbidden, I'm just asking if taking all the stuff with the permission of the clerk would be a robbery. posted by Pawnatron |
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 i think i see what youre asking...kinda like this, no? a guy walks in to a convinience store who may have the appearence of a "thug," the cashier sees the guy and just from the LOOK of the guy, the cashier thinks to himself, "oh my god, i bet he has a gun! i think hes going to rob me!" so he in turn says to the customer, "just take what you want! take anything!" without the customer demanding anything in first place, the customer in turn takes what he wants...because he was told to and given permisson by the clerk. is that a crime? am i close? i just wanted to say, about this: Pawnatron: Taking out a gun in a store is not a real "threat"
and yeah sure that would be forbidden... a lot of people would instantly feel threatened in some way if they saw someone pull out a gun, especially if they do not know the person or why that person pulled out a gun in the first place. the person who pulls it out may not be trying to pose a threat, but just the sight of a gun is enough for a lot of people to feel threatened by that person. i even think that if you see someone pull out a gun, and you carry a licensed gun and shoot them, you could get off without any charges...because you do not know what that person is going to do with that gun and it is enough of a threat that you may feel the need to protect your own life... that happened to my uncle, he killed two people in a convinience store. he was in the store when two guys came in to rob it, they waited for him to leave, but he wasnt fast enough, and one pulled out a gun near my uncle, my uncle shot and killed him, then the other opened fire on my uncle, he was killed too. he was chareged with nothing. posted by allone |
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 knn i lve your avator! i love that episode...bubble boy...anyways. did you do this or asomething pawn? did you try to rob some place? word of advice...never show off your gun to a cop...just because they have one too doesnt mean they want to talk about yours posted by Agent Zero |
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 nice point pawnatron. it's probably debatable on the situation. whether the guy was trying to threaten him (by pulling out a gun and looking mean), or not. it's all about the intention. posted by sangu |
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sangu: nice point pawnatron. it's probably debatable on the situation. whether the guy was trying to threaten him (by pulling out a gun and looking mean), or not. it's all about the intention. Yes exacly my point.. and Allone... Seeing a guy pull out a gun would make you feel threated in most situations... But pulling out the gun is no threat...just like pulling out a stick...that's no threat. But if sticks were always used to rob banks and some guy would pull out a stick in a bank it would seem like a threat but still...it doesnt have to be...a threat...people just assume. Just like the clerk...because people use guns to rob stores he assumes that this guy is about to rob his store... posted by Pawnatron |
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Pawnatron: Seeing a guy pull out a gun would make you feel threated in most situations...
But pulling out the gun is no threat...just like pulling out a stick...that's no threat. I'd like to point out again that in the US pulling out a gun is still a crime unless you have a concealed weapons permit and you are in imminent danger. It may not be robbery, but I think the penalty for reckless display and carrying a concealed weapon together would be almost as stiff as armed robbery. posted by holy_of_holies |
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i was just going to say that i think there is a law against it...and there is a law for a reason, pulling out a gun in some public place can cause a lot of bad things. a stick on the other hand...seeing someone pull out a stick doesnt really cause alarm or make people feel threatened like a gun would...i mean, you could defend yourself against a person with a stick a lot easier than against a person with a gun. i know if i ever saw a person pull a gun out of their coat anywhere, it would scare me...its really simple for someone with a gun to kill someone else, just point it at a person and squeeze the trigger, a stick on the other hand...its not that easy. i mean think about it...youre in a convinience store, standing in line, and the guy ahead of you pulls out a gun, you don't know why, all you know is that you see the guy in front of you with a gun in his hand, that would cause a lot of people to panic/feel threatened and so on... actually, anything that could be considered a weapon...a baseball bat even, if you pull out anything that can be used as a weapon in some public place, it might make a lot of people feel threatened in some way...people don't normally walk around in stores (or other places) hiding those sort of things under their clothing then pulling them out...what other purpose would the person have other than to use it in a harmful way? posted by allone |
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allone: actually, anything that could be considered a weapon...a baseball bat even, if you pull out anything that can be used as a weapon in some public place heh. reminds me of this one time i was walking down from one end of the school to my lockers...with my softball bat in my hand. i was trying to look as non-aggressive as possible. i hit myself in the legs a couple times by accident. 
posted by sangu |
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