»USA vs. Britain«
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 I notice that all 'holy of holies' last post against me was trying desperately to defend America rather than saying anything substantial against Britain, so I feel I have successfully proved my case. As for America being the oldest surviving democracy, I presume that is some crazy attempt to claim that there is no democracy is Britain or France. I can't believe you'd stoop so low. As for the H-bomb thing it does appear that I was wrong about that. I remember seeing an advert for a documentary claiming that after the war America tried to blackmail Britain so in response Britain developed a "very British bomb". However, I've no idea which bomb this was if not the H-bomb and these documentaries do tend to exaggerate things in order to increase their viewers. Everything else I have said is true. (How can you say that the governments ban on stem cell research is not suppressing scientific reasearch? A 'ban' is 'suppressing something' by definition isn't it?) posted by fatpie42 |
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| in-my-opinion.orgPoliticsPolitics and Crime (Assorted topics)USA vs. Britain |
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holy_of_holies: He likes to say that the USA's "forefathers" were British, but I say that's ridiculous...In what sense was Britain our originator except in the obvious role of antagonist for the first hundred odd years of our existence? If you don't like acknowledging the orginal pilgrim settlers who came from Plymouth, stop celebrating thanksgiving! Am I missing something here? As for the idea that democracy was not successful in Britain, what exactly went wrong with the election earlier this year (other than Tony Blair being re-elected)? posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: As for America being the oldest surviving democracy, I presume that is some crazy attempt to claim that there is no democracy is Britain or France. I can't believe you'd stoop so low. There has never been a democracy in Britain...you have a constitutional monarchy. France is a different story: since the French Revolution came after the American Revolution, the French democracy is younger than the American one..plus there were the years under Emperor Napoleon to subtract... fatpie42: Everything else I have said is true. (How can you say that the governments ban on stem cell research is not suppressing scientific reasearch? A 'ban' is 'suppressing something' by definition isn't it?) You have once again screwed up your information...There is no ban on stem-cell research in America, only a ban on federal funding of stem cell research...There is stem cell research going on all over America right now.. fatpie42: If you don't like acknowledging the orginal pilgrim settlers who came from Plymouth, stop celebrating thanksgiving! Am I missing something here? Did you really just post that? How do you know I celebrate Thanksgiving? And furthermore, I've already said that we owe a lot to British culture, and just because I say that the pilgrims were not our forefathers doesn't mean that we have no cultural connection to them...You are missing something and these are the facts. The British (1)did not discover America; (2)did not found the United States; and (3) did not do anything before WWII to support or befriend the US. America was probably discovered by Asians and/or Polynesians coming across the Pacific, and later by Scandinavians...then by an Italian, and finally by the British...so you were really latecomers in our history and thus not in any sense our forefathers! fatpie42: As for the idea that democracy was not successful in Britain, what exactly went wrong with the election earlier this year (other than Tony Blair being re-elected)? Oh you can have an election and still not be democratic...remember Hitler was elected...and Red China has elections too, but you wouldn't call them democratic, would you? posted by holy_of_holies |
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 Quote: There has never been a democracy in Britain...you have a constitutional monarchy. the operative word being "constitutional" this means that the monarch cannot affect any new powers and every single power that a reigning monarch from the 1800's can be overruled by parliment hence the queen has only ceramonial purpose posted by the anomaly |
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 holy_of_holies: The British (1)did not discover America; (2)did not found the United States; and (3) did not do anything before WWII to support or befriend the US...
...so you were really latecomers in our history and thus not in any sense our forefathers! And yet you speak English 
posted by Marl64 |
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Marl64: holy_of_holies: The British (1)did not discover America; (2)did not found the United States; and (3) did not do anything before WWII to support or befriend the US...
...so you were really latecomers in our history and thus not in any sense our forefathers! And yet you speak English Some of us...many languages are spoken in the US... posted by holy_of_holies |
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I think it could be considered supportative, giving you a language to bitch about us with
posted by Marl64 |
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Marl64: I think it could be considered supportative, giving you a language to bitch about us with Igirisujin wa baka desu... posted by holy_of_holies |
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Just on first impression, whom would you rather follow?   [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by holy_of_holies |
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Neither of them. posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: Neither of them. Jefferson might tell you that your statement already indicates you have chosen a side... posted by holy_of_holies |
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holy_of_holies: fatpie42: Neither of them. Jefferson might tell you that your statement already indicates you have chosen a side... Jefferson can tell me what he likes. The fact that I want to follow neither a dead British king nor a dead American man should come as no surprise. As much as I dislike Tony Blair, I'd rather follow him than a spectre from the past any day. posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: holy_of_holies: fatpie42: Neither of them. Jefferson might tell you that your statement already indicates you have chosen a side... Jefferson can tell me what he likes. The fact that I want to follow neither a dead British king nor a dead American man should come as no surprise. As much as I dislike Tony Blair, I'd rather follow him than a spectre from the past any day. You don't even know who Jefferson was, do you? Sad...all I was saying was that it is a good sign that you reject following historical figures; paradoxically, this is a very Jeffersonian philosophy...but I think you make a bad showing for your country with your general lack of knowledge of the American Revolution (pilgrims, founders, duh?)...There's a difference between not knowing (okay) and not wanting to know (not okay)...My guess is you probably know more about Hitler and his flunkies than you do about the American founders, and the majority of the founders (excluding Jefferson) bore no hostility toward the British people... posted by holy_of_holies |
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What's wrong with not caring about American history? If I wanted to know everything there was to know about History there are many centuries I need to get through of European history before I even think about bothering with American history. But yes I do know who Thomas Jefferson is since I have come across his name in my research for my theology dissitation. He is an American president and a deist. I never said anyone bore hostility against the British other than YOU! Your anti-british sentiment is becoming extremely irritating. I never claimed to know anything substantial about American politics, but you claim to know for CERTAIN that Britain does not have a democracy! Here's a link from wikipedia (since you seem to like it so much) saying that Britain has a liberal democracy:  Now please give it a rest! posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: What's wrong with not caring about American history? If I wanted to know everything there was to know about History there are many centuries I need to get through of European history before I even think about bothering with American history. What is wrong is that you make historical pronouncements about American history (i.e. American involvement in WWII was too late to make a difference...) while simultaneously claiming not to care about our history... fatpie42: But yes I do know who Thomas Jefferson is since I have come across his name in my research for my theology dissitation. He is an American president and a deist. Ooo a British God-doctor...I can think of nothing more repulsive. Do you know what document Jefferson is most famous for having authored (hint:your country would have killed him for it)? fatpie42: I never said anyone bore hostility against the British other than YOU! Your anti-british sentiment is becoming extremely irritating. I never claimed to know anything substantial about American politics, but you claim to know for CERTAIN that Britain does not have a democracy!
Here's a link from wikipedia (since you seem to like it so much) saying that Britain has a liberal democracy: I like Wikipedia because it's democratic unlike Britannica which is propaganda. However sometimes Wiki gets it wrong...usually when pressured by fanatics into promulgating invalid views. fatpie42: Now please give it a rest! Yeah fat chance fatpie. You whine like a mule. posted by holy_of_holies |
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