»Reincarnation - what is the highest 'status' of a life form«
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 I don't really understand how the belief of reincarnation works. From what I've heard, when people die, they are reincarnated into something based on whether or not they were 'good' in their previous life. ...What if they are reincarnated into a plant? Is that good or bad? And how is it determined what a plant will reincarnate into? Can a tree be 'good' or 'bad'? posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsReincarnation - what is the highest 'status' of a life form |
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 No I think the idea was the human is the only stage you can be bad enough to becopme a lower life form because you are the only creature with the choice. I think if you are bad and become a tree then you become something higher like a mosquito then you become something higher like a squirrel and then you become something like a cat then a human. you simply go through each life and become a more advanced being every time. But I don't beleive in reincarnation so I don't really know posted by Kupov |
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 This has been discussed in detail in the following 3 threads... (and knn killed the discussion in each  )
That is best answer / direction I can point you to here at imo... What determines your next life? IMO → What determines your next life? How many souls exist? Does someone create them? IMO → How many souls exist? Does someone create them? What are souls? Anatomy of souls, anatomy of life forms IMO → What are souls? Anatomy of souls, anatomy of life forms posted by volonteshiva |
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volonteshiva: This has been discussed in detail in the following 3 threads... (and knn killed the discussion in each )
That is best answer / direction I can point you to here at imo... I read all of the threads just now... that is not what I'm really interested in. I have edited the title of this thread now. What I am more confused about is: What can something other than a human do to be on the 'right path' towards gaining a higher 'status' in your next life? Beliefs of reincarnation include these possible categories of life forms that soul can inhabit: humans, animals, plants, or inanimate objects. What can you do if you are a soul that inhabits a plant of some sort? How can you be a 'good' plant so that you can become something of greater worth in your next life? What about a stone? How does a stone 'die' to go into its next life? Get kicked around until some little kid crushes it under his foot? posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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 nocturnal_anonymous: What can you do if you are a soul that inhabits a plant of some sort? How can you be a 'good' plant so that you can become something of greater worth in your next life?
What about a stone? How does a stone 'die' to go into its next life? Get kicked around until some little kid crushes it under his foot? This is not a belief shared by all reincarnation beliefs. Probably the highest form would be:
BUT STILL staying oneself and not losing one's own "identity" You get the point. Please note that I write "Being able to know everything" and not "Know everything" because if you KNOW everything you have no fun in playing games because there wouldn't be games. posted by knn |
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knn: • Being able to move in and out of the body
• Being able to communicate without the body • Being able to see what actions will cause what future • Being able to be free to everything (not FROM everything) • Being able to know everything • Being able to change matter/energy/space by will alone • ... OK, but I'm talking about a spirit/soul taking over a body -- what body would be the 'highest level'? A mountain? A huge tree? An insect? Or is it just merely, a human? knn: This is not a belief shared by all reincarnation beliefs. Yes, I know that is why I wrote: Beliefs of reincarnation include these possible categories of life forms that soul can inhabit: humans, animals, plants, or inanimate objects. And you no one has told me how an ant can be on the 'path of righteousness' to become a 'higher' position in their next life. posted by nocturnal_anonymous |
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The best body is probably a matter of taste posted by knn |
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 nocturnal_anonymous: OK, but I'm talking about a spirit/soul taking over a body -- what body would be the 'highest level'? A mountain? A huge tree? An insect? Or is it just merely, a human? knn: The best body is probably a matter of taste So you're saying that whatever physical form I subjectively believe is the best will be mine if I "succeed" in this incarnation? So if I feel cockroaches are clearly the most successful organism, my taste will be "rewarded" by sending me into the body of a cockroach in my next life? posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: So if I feel cockroaches are clearly the most successful organism, my taste will be "rewarded" by sending me into the body of a cockroach in my next life? Oh, we are talking about rewards? Oh, now I get it. In terms of rewards I would say that from the life forms here on earth I'd say human bodies are the best. They are usually nice to look at and they have some preferable skills like "being able to talk and develop" posted by knn |
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But my cat might say being a cat is best, as she's currently curled up on my lap and never has to go to work... posted by Tiefling |
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Yes, cat bodies and human bodies are the 2 most liked ones. Do you know all the stories about cats living together with witches? Sometimes birds or fish are also chosen. posted by knn |
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But are you implying, then, that the soul gets to choose into what body it gets reincarnated? posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: But are you implying, then, that the soul gets to choose into what body it gets reincarnated? No I am implying that
then the soul gets what it wants posted by knn |
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 You should know the answer to this, but I will remind you. 1. Mice 2. Dolphins 3. Humans in that order. If I believed in reincarnation, I would want to come back as any animal that can lick it's own nuts... or a bird. The reason reincarnation doesn't gel with me is there just doesn't seem to be a point to it, you can't remember past lives...so what's the point. Can the soul be split between bodies, because Joan of Arc is doing bloody well. posted by Marlbro |
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nocturnal_anonymous: I don't really understand how the belief of reincarnation works. From what I've heard, when people die, they are reincarnated into something based on whether or not they were 'good' in their previous life.
...What if they are reincarnated into a plant? Is that good or bad? And how is it determined what a plant will reincarnate into? Can a tree be 'good' or 'bad'? You can't give a clear definition of reincarnation or rebirth, since this concept can be found in various believe systems, and each believe has it's own view and characteristics. The most common view of reincarnation, however, is that the unit under consideration is not an individual with a few decades life; instead it is an extended sequence of individual lives. Each life in the sequence is connected directly to the immediately proceeding and following lives, and indirectly to every other life in the sequence. During a sequence, a soul, or some entity….., evolves out of the veil of matter and gradually finds itself, or it’s true identity. So you can say that reincarnation is a means of spiritual evolution. Hinduism speaks of three stages of spiritual evolution: The first stage consists of formation, development and strengthening of individual centers of consciousness in physical bodies that are mostly and vastly very inert and unconscious and driven by the force of blind instinct and natural impulse.
The second stage consists of the consolidation and concretization of these personalities into individual egos which act under their own individual and independent wills powered by the energy of desires, and the instinct of survival, undergoing repeated births and deaths, as an ongoing process of further evolution towards the next phase. The third phase consists of development of a new center of discriminating awareness (parisilanatmaka buddhi) that leads to the gradual surrender and ultimate dissolution of the ego into Truth, Consciousness and Bliss. Once the soul or entity has reached self-consciousness, it is the law of karma which connects the individual lives of the sequence. The law of karma suggests that a person's mental and physical actions determine the progress of his life on earth; a person's future is his or her own creation, based on the state of consciousness he or she has developed. With our mental and physical actions we grow or degenerate our consciousness. Bad karma usually results in a rebirth as a person less conscious (more deluded about our true identity), but... The pitfalls on the way are many. By his wrong actions a being may falter and fall temporarily on this path and descend down into lower worlds, taking birth as an animal or under a misfortune, as an inanimate object such as a stone, a lake, a tree or a plant.
(...) But that is not the end. All is not lost…. …due to an inherent drive to evolve…. see also: Reincarnation in different religions: comparativereligion.com...en.wikipedia.org... Proof of reincarnation/rebirth?: hinduwebsite.com... posted by tozy |
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