»'Ask God' is such a lame excuse«

Non-Christians... how often have you been in a good debate with a Christian, and you've got him backed into the proverbial corner, when he responds, "Well, you'll just have to ask God." That response bothers me to no end. The Christian, rather than admitting defeat, is referring you to the being whose existence you're questioning in the first place.

Christians... do you not realize that when you give this answer, you're just using a psychological trick against yourself to convince yourself that you haven't been shown a hole in your theology? Why even bother to give this response at all?

posted by Tiefling

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Tiefling:

Tell him: "I asked him and he condemns Christianity".

Moreover: IMO → What to say to someone who insists to pray

posted by knn

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Tiefling:

I think you are me...an older and wiser me. But AAAAARRRRGGGGHHH I hate that, as I said though another favourite is "it's gods choice" its lucky noone here says crap like that *looks suspiciously at sangu* White laugh

knn:

Tell him: "I asked him and he condemns Christianity".

Thanks I will next time

posted by Kupov

Tiefling:

Why even bother to give this response at all?

Because God is at times incomprehensible, and there is a concept of faith. The "holes" are overlooked because, if the majority of christianity makes sense (to the christian), holes can be looked over.

posted by sangu

Kupov:

I think you are me...an older and wiser me.

kupov the insults go in the banana forum...please don't insult tief anymore m'kay? Very Happy

posted by The ONEder Man

and to add to the discussion, the same could be said when someone can't explain something scientifically as well...

posted by The ONEder Man

The ONEder Man:

kupov the insults go in the banana forum...please don't insult tief anymore m'kay?

he actually sort of looks like me too in that one picture, same hair colour and hes skinny like me.

posted by Kupov

knn:

Tell him: "I asked him and he condemns Christianity".

That's fantastic.

me: <insert really good point against Christianity here>?
Christian: "Ask God."
me: "I already did, and he says you're wrong."

Kupov:

I think you are me...an older and wiser me.

, I was just telling Laraimaem how you have brought up more than one subject here that I brought up when I was your age. And similarly, I went through the whole switch away from Christianity.

sangu:

But that presupposes that the Christian god exists and Christianity is accurate, which is what the non-Christian is trying to discuss with you. If you're simply going to resort to, "Ask God," when the non-Christian has proven his point beyond your ability to answer, why not simply say, "I don't know," or, "That's a good point." ?

The mindset of "Ask God" basically says that the Christian is not open-minded enough to consider the possibility that s/he may actually be wrong. So why should I consider the Christian's evangelism if the Christian isn't open-minded enough to consider what I have to say?

posted by Tiefling

Tiefling:

why not simply say, "I don't know," or, "That's a good point." ?

Actually I have freinds who say things like "I don't know,take it up with God"

Tiefling:

I was just telling Laraimaem how you have brought up more than one subject here that I brought up when I was your age. And similarly, I went through the whole switch away from Christianity.

yaay

posted by Kupov

Kupov:

same hair colour and hes skinny like me.

but not that crazy hair.

Tiefling:

But that presupposes that the Christian god exists and Christianity is accurate, which is what the non-Christian is trying to discuss with you

Tiefling:

why not simply say, "I don't know," or, "That's a good point." ?

I don't know makes us seem a bit dumb, I guess Silly and stupid, that's how I feel

We don't know everything, but from what we believe, we look over the little holes here and then.
And, well, who would reply, "ask God" when questioned whether God exists?
For me, if I know that God is real to me, and what he teaches makes sense, then I trust everything else.
*edited* that last part was horrible, i was in a rush to get out of the computer (im not supposed to be here) so yeah.

compare it to voting for a president. if you agree with his stances on major issues like economy, security, etc, then the minor issues seem tolerable. he's the best pick you got.

not a great metaphor, but gives a decent picture.

posted by sangu

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i don't know if this would be considered offtopic but here goes: sometimes when stuff happens to me or my friends or family...mostly having to do with relationships or like...some sort of life event (work, school etc) then i usually say..."it happened for a reason","It was/wasn't meant to be" "That was supposed to happen...i don't know why yet, but it was..." yadda yadda yadda...and i say it because it offers me some sort of contentment in a way to just "blame" something else for what happens, and blindly trust in something and that that something is helping me out indirectly/directly by causing/not causing certain things to happen/not happen etc...

BUT this thread reminds me of the conflict that I feel when its like...well, then to what degree am i in charge of my own life? my own fate? you know? like...if i always point responsibility onto something other than anything tangible and rely on that then really...what am i good for? are the decisions i make in my life MY OWN? or not...do things happen for a reason? to what extent does "fate" (for those of you who beleive in it) play in the decisions i make? to what extent do i directly steer my own life? does it have a path or am i making it as i go? ARGH! i ask allone all the time but i still don't get it...maybe you guys have ideas...

posted by gkiss

Fate is boggling at times. Heh, replace fate with God and you have my situation.
Kind of.
Um, for me, I try to take life as it goes by. Try not to think too much about the future, let whatever happen happen, and make my choices. Sure, I may "blame" or say, "it was God's will or whatever", but I learn something from that experience. It's the going through motion that counts.

posted by sangu

sangu:

but not that crazy hair.

Wha?

my hairs not crazy, it is dyed black but his hair colour is my natural hair colour.

sangu:

And, well, who would reply, "ask God" when questioned whether God exists?

heh mabye not you but I know of a few people *cough* TSFenforcer *cough*

sangu:

compare it to voting for a president. if you agree with his stances on major issues like economy, security, etc, then the minor issues seem tolerable. he's the best pick you got.

I think if God was allmighty then everyone would agree with him on every issue.

posted by Kupov

Kupov:

my hairs not crazy

Tiefling's hair is unusual. Not yours.

Kupov:

I think if God was allmighty then everyone would agree with him on every issue.

Choices, kupov, choices...we have the power of choice.

posted by sangu

sangu:

Choices, kupov, choices...we have the power of choice.

Yes because he is so allmighty he would have the power to present an argument so compelling that it would force you to change your opininion, but you would still choose.

posted by Kupov

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