»How would the disproof of God change your life?«
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 So let's assume that the Truth comes out --- there is no God. There is no soul. There is no afterlife. All of these things are conclusively proven, such that believing in God is like believing that the world is flat. It is proven that when you die, you cease to be. You get buried/cremated, become worm-food, and that's the end of it. How would your life change? How would you live your life differently? How would your attitude, outlook, morality, and actions change? What would you strive to achieve that you would not do otherwise? posted by Tiefling |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsHow would the disproof of God change your life? |
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 Tiefling: So let's assume that the Truth comes out --- there is no God. There is no soul. There is no afterlife. All of these things are conclusively proven How can you prove that some DOES NOT exist? posted by knn |
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 Tiefling: How would your life change? I would cease to exist obviously 
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knn: How can you prove that some DOES NOT exist? You can't, as far as I'm aware. But, just assume that someone did. posted by Tiefling |
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 If I want to prove that there are no green tennis balls in a certain bucket I could simply look inside (and possibly empty out the various contents). Since I know certain things about the tennis ball, e.g. that it is not invisible, I could prove there was no tennis ball existing in that bucket. Now if we take the whole universe and presume that someone has some kind of God-detector (running on what properties we would require a God to posess) then perhaps they could show that God does not exist within the universe? (hmmm God is supposed to transcend the universe though...  )
Some might say we already have such a God detector. It's called 'the problem of evil'. If a God exists we would not expect evil to exist in the universe. Evil does exist in the universe, therefore God must lack one of three properties we consider vital: infinite power (omnipotence) infinite knowledge (including 'how' to stop evil) (omniscience) benevolence Attempts to deny the existence of evil have been rather unconvincing to say the least. posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: If I want to prove that there are no green tennis balls in a certain bucket I could simply look inside That would only prove that there are no such balls NOW. What if god created the universe and overjumps a few years and re-appears tomorrow? You couldn't prove that with your machines. posted by knn |
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fatpie42: Evil does exist in the universe, therefore God must lack one of three properties we consider vital This conclusion is wrong, but that has been discussed in other threads. posted by knn |
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 Tiefling: How would your life change? How would you live your life differently? How would your attitude, outlook, morality, and actions change? What would you strive to achieve that you would not do otherwise? Assuming for the sake of argument that God's existence is disproved conclusively. Well life wouldn't be particularly different.. I mean, you only live once. Fair enough, if you fully understand all the consequences of such a situation, do your best to "squeeze the marrow out of life"
Actions are normally dominated by conscience, which I believe stems from some basic tenets of respect and freedom and rights and duties and so on, which would thus stay the same regardless of 'God'. The only difference is that they might not feel answerable to anyone but themselves and to some this might seem trivial (I can't imagine though - facing yourself is the worst imo). Thus they could probably say there's no afterlife so they can indulge in every dark idea their imagination comes up with since they don't have to answer for it 'in future'. posted by ryder |
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ryder: Thus they could probably say there's no afterlife so they can indulge in every dark idea their imagination comes up with since they don't have to answer for it 'in future'. There are very few actions without consequences in THIS life. Besides, if future punishments and rewards in an afterlife were so motivating you wouldn't expect to find any Christians committing theft, murder, embezzlement, etc. An afterlife where you face a divine justice system is simply not a deterrent! posted by fatpie42 |
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ryder: Well life wouldn't be particularly different.. I mean, you only live once. Well, that we only live 1ce has not been disproven. Only god's existence. posted by knn |
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 knn: Well, that we only live 1ce has not been disproven. Only god's existence. Ok.. I've seen this somewhere else - you say you can believe in an afterlife without believing in God. Without a God, there cannot be any 'judgement' in the afterlife because the only possible judge has been disproven. There is no 'force', nothing else that can replace It, because then That would be God. 'Karma' exists only if you have a God wanting you to be answerable for your actions. So you could be punished in this life according to our laws, but you see all your fellow creatures in the next life too. How about knn start an imo.org there.. 
So to make my post sound correct in the context of a possible afterlife, Humans will live by their morality in this life or the next, and life will be no 'different' from now. Maybe you should change the topic to 'how would the disproof of God change your life/lives'.. posted by ryder |
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ryder: 'Karma' exists only if you have a God wanting you to be answerable for your actions. Buddhists do not link karma with God(s) posted by fatpie42 |
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ryder: Without a God, there cannot be any 'judgement' Sure, you can be your own judge. Look, if you have a group of people, say a bakery, then there is no god as judge involved either. Everything works without god. ryder: So you could be punished in this life according to our laws, but you see all your fellow creatures in the next life too Actually, without god/judgement death (followed by another life) could be said to be one of the best methods to escape worldly punishment (at least in societies which haven't got any spiritual control mechanisms and "spirit identifying machines") By the way, in the sense of this thread: What is Jack the Ripper doing now? Maybe he is postin' something? 
posted by knn |
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knn: Well, that we only live 1ce has not been disproven. Only god's existence. I thought this covered all the bases pretty well: Tiefling: So let's assume that the Truth comes out --- there is no God. There is no soul. There is no afterlife. All of these things are conclusively proven, such that believing in God is like believing that the world is flat. It is proven that when you die, you cease to be. You get buried/cremated, become worm-food, and that's the end of it. No God, no soul, no afterlife; and upon death, you cease to be. That should fairly well rule out reincarnation. posted by Tiefling |
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Tiefling: No God, no soul, no afterlife; and upon death, you cease to be. That should fairly well rule out reincarnation. Oops, sorry, forgot that premise. posted by knn |
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