In-My-Opinion.org

»Should Intelligent Design be taught along with Evolution?«





Should Intelligent Design be taught in science classes alongside Evolution?

   
No
63%
 63%  [ 12 ]
Yes
31%
 31%  [ 6 ]
Maybe/Don't know/Don't care
5%
 5%  [ 1 ]
Number of users, who voted: 19
Number of counted votes: 19



The ONEder Man:
i see ID proponents use ID, the scientific community and the media always sneak the word creationism in at some point to try to keep their god darwin appeased

No one in science thinks Darwin is a "god" any more than they think Isaac Newton, Ben Franklin, or Aristotle are gods. Creationists (which include Intelligent Design proponents) will insist until the end of the world that evolution is all about Darwin, but the fact is Darwin has very little to do with biology today.

Creationists speak as if biologists were making conclusions and then checking back to Darwin's books to make sure they haven't contradicted him. White laugh

I have a ton of science books, and only one of them is about Darwin. My father (who is a biologist) and most of his friends never talk about Darwin, almost never read about him, and certainly never consult his books for answers. It's ancient history now.

The only people that haven't accepted natural selection as obvious by now are people who really know nothing about biology (sorry to burst your bubbles there knn and ONEder).

And the other signal characteristic of creationists is that they work backwards: they start out saying "an intelligent designer created the universe" and then look for evidence of that! That's not science! Scientists gather evidence and only after a tremendous amount of evidence has been gathered (thousands of years in the case of evolutionary theory) do they even make the slightest step toward a conclusion. Even if (I'm not saying this is true) by some remote chance there might be an extraterrestrial intelligent being or beings in the universe, that's still an extremely new concept in biological terms. In the middle ages, no one was debating about what kind of animal angels or demons or gods were! There was no scientific basis for that. But regardless of what ID people say , that is the foundation they are building on, not science, but religion.

Science and ID are mutually exclusive: as soon as you even say in a science class, "The universe might have been designed by an extraterrestrial being," you are no longer teaching science. You should be fired for that; the same way a history teacher would be fired who said, "Jews have always caused wars." It's the same thing: a traditional folk belief which, due to ignorance and superstition, is now a political and cultural force only in the USA.

But, to be honest, I would gladly end all science education except for people who want to learn about science. I really think that science should not be taught to people who are stupid enough to believe that an ancient Hebrew magician rose rose from the grave, ascended to heaven, and will come back someday to rule the world. Or even that there might be an Intelligent Designer in any scientific sense. That is just stupidity. I think there should be an entrance exam for science courses; if you don't understand enough about evolution to avoid making the kind of mistakes I see creationists make all the time, you have no capacity to learn science. I really think it's a kind of genetic mental retardation. Maybe creationists could be the people who mop the floors or wash the glassware in the lab and in their offtime write books about the great bugaboo Darwin and his massive fraud. White laugh

But, oh yes, we couldn't trust them. They might sabotage experiments or set off a bomb or something. Did I mention that Islamic terrorists are almost all creationists? If they believe in the Koran, that's what they are. So thanks, creationists, for al Qaeda and 9/11. And thanks, creationists, for the Bush presidency and the Iraq war. Your reward: you get to die in ignorance, believing with all your little hearts that after death you will be instantly teleported by Jesus to Hebrew Happyland. White laugh


posted by holy_of_holies
  

in-my-opinion.org -> Religion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolves -> Religious & Philosophical Topics -> Should Intelligent Design be taught along with Evolution?



holy_of_holies:
The only people that haven't accepted natural selection as obvious by now are people who really know nothing about biology (sorry to burst your bubbles there knn and ONEder).

You don't burst bubble because natural selection exists, but only kills off species and doesn't change their DNA to develop higher species. You are throwing stones to hide your hands. I already answered you in the other thread IMO → Creationism vs Evolution


posted by knn

The following post has been deemed OFFTOPIC. Do not answer it and do not quote from it or from parts of it. The reporter (knn) said: "Offtopic"


knn:
holy_of_holies:
The only people that haven't accepted natural selection as obvious by now are people who really know nothing about biology (sorry to burst your bubbles there knn and ONEder).

You don't burst bubble because natural selection exists, but only kills off species and doesn't change their DNA to develop higher species.

The theory of natural selection includes mutation, which does change DNA. Over time, these mutations add up and if they confer a benefit they bla bla bla shma shma shma Darwin Christ Osama. Understand? White laugh


posted by holy_of_holies
  



Trust me when I say the anwser to curing America's scientific ignorance is not placing that kind of entrance exam in front of it. Believe it or not, I think their are a few who are converted into the realm of science, or at least allow themselves to live in both worlds (i.e. believe in a god, jusus maybe, but don't believe the story of creation as true).

Did you see the Family guy Movie? lol. Stewie went back to Jesus' time and he was singing some classic entertainment style song (no words just a tune) and doing funny magic tricks. Even though I consider myself a christian (actually I'm really more of a diest, but I have no problem going to church so I don't know what that makes me) I found it quite hilarious. Almost as good as the Christmas one when Peter describes Jesus as rising from the grave and scarrying everybody so they'll give him presents... then some guy in the croud says "I'm so offended I don't know what to do!" And then the guy next to him says "I guess we'll just have to develope a sense of humor."

Anyways, back to the topic (sorry KNN Smile)

posted by hexediter
  



Engaging prior learning on creationism and evolution may benefit college biology students
Reading books sympathetic to and opposed to evolution supported increased acceptance of rationalist views

An educational intervention that included reading books sympathetic to and opposed to "intelligent design" (ID) prompted students in a college introductory biology course to report that they had become more accepting of evolution as an explanation for life, according to a study in the November 2005 issue of BioScience. The intervention, which was studied by Steven D. Verhey of Central Washington University, encouraged students to read parts of an ID-friendly, anti-evolution text, as well as an online refutation of the text and parts of a book presenting evidence for evolution.

Students in the study's two intervention streams read from "Icons of Evolution" by Jonathan Wells, which attacks evolutionary theory and is sympathetic to ID, and "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins, which supports the theory of evolution. Students in the intervention streams also read "Icons of Obfuscation" by Nic Tamzek, an online refutation of Wells' book, and discussed current thinking about the nature of science. Students in the two non-intervention streams read from and discussed "The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature" by Matt Ridley, which describes evolutionary explanations for sexuality.

Verhey asked the 103 enrolled students to classify their beliefs about evolution and creationism before and after the course. Most of the 66 students who completed the survey had previously been exposed to both evolutionary and creationist accounts of life. Sixty-one percent of students in the intervention streams reported some change in their beliefs; most of these students were initially sympathetic to creationist explanations and moved toward increased acceptance of evolution. Only 21 percent of students in the non-intervention streams reported change in their beliefs.

Verhey's study was inspired by an influential theory of cognitive development advanced in 1970 by William G. Perry. Perry's theory holds that students pass through distinct modes of thinking. Verhey's intervention was designed to support students as they progressed toward a more sophisticated cognitive mode by engaging them at the level of their initial understanding--including their initial ideas about creationism. Although alternative explanations are possible, Verhey maintains that his results suggest engaging prior learning "was an effective approach to evolution education."

BioScience is the monthly journal of the American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS). In an editorial commenting on Verhey's article, prominent evolution educator Craig E. Nelson asks how Verhey's "effective pedagogy" is to be reconciled with the strong stance of AIBS--and Nelson himself--against requiring the teaching of ID or creationism in high-school science classes. A large majority of biologists believe ID, which holds that evolution cannot explain life's complexity, is fundamentally unscientific. Nelson points out that teaching ID or creationism in a science class would be wrong unless these notions were critiqued scientifically and compared to evolutionary explanations. As many high-school teachers are not well prepared to rigorously contrast creationist and evolutionary accounts, Nelson writes that it would be "quite inappropriate to require such comparisons in high school." But encouraging active comparisons by college and university students will, according to Nelson, "help future teachers and other leaders understand why there is no contest scientifically between creationism and evolution."




posted by ryder
  All your base are belong to us


ID vs Evolution


COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED. A real monkey wrench is about to hit both sides in the ID vs Evolution debate and particularly religion is in for difficult times. For a wholly new interpretation of the teachings of Christ, contained within the first ever religious claim and proof that meets all the criteria of the most rigorous, evidential, testable scientific method, is published and circulating on the web. It is titled The Final Freedoms. An intellectual, religious and political bombshell!

It is described by a single Law and moral principle, offering its own proof, one in which the reality of God confirms and responds to an act of perfect faith, by a direct intervention into the natural world, delivering a correction to human nature, including a change in natural law [biology], consciousness and human ethical perception [proof of the soul], providing new, primary insight and understanding of the human condition!

So while proponents of ID may have got the God part right, if this development demonstrates itself to be what it claims, and the means exist to do so, all religious teaching, tradition and understanding of ID are wholly in error, while the proponents of evolution who have rightly used that conception to beat down the credibility of religious tradition, but who have also used it to deny the potential for God, are in for a very rude shock.

However improbable, what history and theology have presumed to be impossible is now all too achievable. The implications defy imagination! No joke, no hoax and not spam.

Review copies of the manuscript, prior to paper publication, are a free pdf download from a number of sites including:
and



posted by Robert Landbeck
  



WHAA? I have a debate tournament on Friday about this exact topic and I've been preparing so much and I find this thread NOW?

Great, I have less than 2 days to skim over all of these arguments starting from August of 2005. Great.

posted by nocturnal_anonymous
  



To anyone who wants to download that "Final Freedoms" pdf nonsense, without wading through the pages of crap on the site Landbeck linked to, you can get them directly from:

thefinalfreedoms.bulldoghome.com… [PDF]

I have no idea if this has anything to do with ID or not though.

posted by Tiefling
  



I read through page 1 of that crap and quit. It's just standard xianity. To quote from the pdf:
Quote:
The woman transgressed against her husband and the very nature of the spiritual bond God had made between them

Typical xianity. Blame everything on women. Keep women in the kitchen.


posted by Tiefling
  



it should be taught in religious education, along with all the other religious explanations of what happened.

and then the scientific reality will be in science classes.

what good can become of creationists in this day and age. grow up.

posted by sam1986
  



Goto page Previous  
1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Reply to topic
Goto page Previous  
1, 2, 3, 4, 5






RegisterRegister
Log inLog in
The time now is 24 May 2012, 17:44
php B.B.