»We have no reason to believe the bible«
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Christianity all comes down to the Bible, and if you believe what the Bible says happened regarding Moses and Jesus and all their miraculous deeds in the ancient world, we have no reason not to think that Jesus might really be coming back. But as I've posted before, I don't believe anything in the Bible ever actually happened. None of it. So lets look at the evidence: first, the earliest copies we have of the Old Testament are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date by Carbon 14 to within a century or two around the birth of Christ. So to the credit of the Jews, we know that their scriptures were around at least 2000 years ago. However, there is no real archeological evidence that the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt, nor that Moses or Jesus ever existed, and the only thing we can be sure of about the Bible is that most of it was written at least 2000 years ago in ancient Hebrew (that, I admit, would be pretty hard to fake.). If I were a betting man, I'd put money down that the whole Bible thing is a hoax written and distributed by some Roman intellectuals who really disliked the Jewish and Christian religions. Of course this is a fairly obvious conclusion when you look at what Christianity with its holy book of Jewish scriptures plus a New Testament eventually did to the Roman Empire. The only time you meet Romans these days is when you go to Rome. There is no more Empire. And for that I and other historians such as Edward Gibbon ♣ blame Christianity. From my knowledge of ancient history, I can even hazard a guess which writers of the First Century AD might have been involved in writing the Bible . The Old Testament is a story of foundation; the foundation of the Jewish people and all others through an act of special creation, and of their struggles and history, and especially of the supposed author of the first five books of the Bible, Moses. There is a book by the Roman historian Titus Livius - or "Livy" in English - called Ab Urbe Condita, (From the Founding of the City) about the early history of Rome. It contains many mythical elements and many historical elements. And Livy was alive at right about the same time the Dead Sea Scrolls were being written, though there is no record of him having gone to Palestine ever. So my guess is that Livy wrote or supervised the writing of the Old Testament, which was then hidden in caves in Palestine for the Jews to find and learn all about their fabulous past that never really happened. Now we come to Jesus, and my guess is that the same thing happened with the New Testament as happened with the Old. Whether Livy knew it or not, some other Roman writer discovered the Old Testament hoax and wrote a sequel! And because of certain parallels between Christianity and Stoic Philosophy, my guess is that the writer would have been none other than Annaeus Seneca, the greatest Stoic philosopher of the time. He was rich and powerful and had reason to hate the emperor at the time, Nero, whom he had helped into power as a tutor. Nero later suspected Seneca of conspiring against him and ordered Seneca to commit suicide. But somehow Seneca's New Testament was spread to the people after his death and made popular, and all these hoaxes were later gathered together, sequentialized, translated, and used to produce the Bible as we know it. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by holy_of_holies |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsWe have no reason to believe the bible |
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 WTF, we have a very good reason to believe in the Bible --- it's the inspired word of God! How do I know it's the inspired word of God? Well because... the Bible says so! posted by Tiefling |
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 Tiefling: How do I know it's the inspired word of God? Well because... the Bible says so! See IMO → Have any of the prophecies of the bible been fulfilled? posted by knn |
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 Religious texts prove one thing, that people have thought something and written it down, that's it. So there is no need at all to believe in the bible, because we have no idea if anything in it is true. posted by seraphim |
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 seraphim: Religious texts prove one thing, that people have thought something and written it down, that's it. So there is no need at all to believe in the bible, because we have no idea if anything in it is true. You can pretty much say the same thing about history. posted by a |
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a: seraphim: Religious texts prove one thing, that people have thought something and written it down, that's it. So there is no need at all to believe in the bible, because we have no idea if anything in it is true. You can pretty much say the same thing about history. History, though, can be corroborated by archaeology and other sciences, but any archaeology that claims to have "proven" that events in the Bible actually happened is almost always fraudulent. As I said in my first post, the only Biblical archaeology that has proven of any value is the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which provided a minimum age for the text of part of the Bible itself, but didn't prove that any of it actually happened. And I would say that the fact that so many bizarre and impossible things happen in the Bible stories is proof in itself that the Bible is a work of fiction. posted by holy_of_holies |
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Tiefling: WTF, we have a very good reason to believe in the Bible --- it's the inspired word of God!
How do I know it's the inspired word of God? Well because... the Bible says so! Now that is one solid argument. Have you ever thought that you have been taught to think this way? You know like, roll over, play dead, good boy. And you know, Jesus did not create the bible, the primitive followers are the creators of this mindless junk that is dumbefying an entire world. Believer = a person without the capability of independent thought. posted by seraphim |
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seraphim: Tiefling: WTF, we have a very good reason to believe in the Bible --- it's the inspired word of God!
How do I know it's the inspired word of God? Well because... the Bible says so! Now that is one solid argument. Have you ever thought that you have been taught to think this way? You know like, roll over, play dead, good boy. And you know, Jesus did not create the bible, the primitive followers are the creators of this mindless junk that is dumbefying an entire world. Believer = a person without the capability of independent thought. He's kidding, seraphim. Tiefling does not really believe that. 
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LOL! I thought he was serious because I have actually heard those kind of arguments a lot lately. posted by seraphim |
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 seraphim: LOL! I thought he was serious because I have actually heard those kind of arguments a lot lately. look up and read stinkz posts 
posted by allone |
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seraphim: Now that is one solid argument. Have you ever thought that you have been taught to think this way? You know like, roll over, play dead, good boy. And you know, Jesus did not create the bible, the primitive followers are the creators of this mindless junk that is dumbefying an entire world. Believer = a person without the capability of independent thought. Hehehe, no, I was being facetious. I'm about as firm a non-believer as they come. posted by Tiefling |
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 Tiefling: I'm about as firm a non-believer as they come. I challenge you to a "Who Believes Less in the Bible" competition! posted by volonteshiva |
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