»Pope Benedikt XVI supports pedophiles«
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 fatpie42: "He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer."
It would be quite a slur on his chracter if his biographer claimed he was a willing member of the Hitler Youth. No one ever admits to being a willing member and there would be no way to prove it either way. Even though many people dislike the fact that he was a member of Hitler Youth, there are far more important aspects to dislike him. Like his letter sent to all the bishops in the world concerning the church's policy on pedophile priests. In that letter he stated that all cases concerning priests molesting children should be "kept in secret" and tells bishops not to inform the authorities, because these are affairs that only the Catholic church should resolve. Now, not only is this sickening, it is also stupid. Who told this guy the Catholic church has any authority on this? 
On another note, his line of thinking does reflect his past as a Hitler Youth. I mean, he seems to think in a Nazi way. posted by Echelon |
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| in-my-opinion.orgReligion and Mysteries, from worship to werewolvesReligious & Philosophical TopicsPope Benedikt XVI supports pedophiles |
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 Echelon: Like his letter sent to all the bishops in the world concerning the church's policy on pedophile priests. In that letter he stated that all cases concerning priests molesting children should be "kept in secret" and tells bishops not to inform the authorities, because these are affairs that only the Catholic church should resolve.
Now, not only is this sickening, it is also stupid. Who told this guy the Catholic church has any authority on this? So what in the hell does he think the Church should do to these sick bastards? Send them to another parish? Say 1000 hail marys? How in the hell does that fix anything? These assholes are sick. They can get spiritual help from God from a jail cell just as easy as from anywhere else. But the law should put them behind bars. posted by volonteshiva |
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 Echelon: In that letter he stated that all cases concerning priests molesting children should be "kept in secret" and tells bishops not to inform the authorities, because these are affairs that only the Catholic church should resolve. Any link? posted by knn |
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Echelon: observer.guardian.co.uk...
observer.guardian.co.uk... Although these are interesting links I cannot clearly see the evidence, since they don't talk expressis verbis about children (= below age of 12). But only about priests having sex with 17eens and below and priests with animals. I personally think it's the right of every group (e.g. the Christians) to try to sort out things like "problems due to intercourse" first amongst themselves. If however it would be the practice to hinder investigations in cases where it's about children (= age 11 and below) then this is a different story. Moreover the letter that Ratzinger wrote is merely a confirmation letter, that this old "keep it quiet" rule is still valid since 45 years because no modern pope has undone it. Ratzinger wrote that confirmation letter in a different role that he plays now. Maybe he was only writing what John Paul II told him to write. And maybe he will undo it as a pope. Sorry, as much as I have seemed to bashed Christians in other threads, I must protect Ratzinger here. posted by knn |
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 this new pope better make some huge changes in the catholic world or they will begin to lose trust by the second instead of losing trust by every priest in hot water posted by Agent Zero |
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 Echelon: Even though many people dislike the fact that he was a member of Hitler Youth, there are far more important aspects to dislike him. Like his letter sent to all the bishops in the world concerning the church's policy on pedophile priests. In that letter he stated that all cases concerning priests molesting children should be "kept in secret" and tells bishops not to inform the authorities, because these are affairs that only the Catholic church should resolve. He is asking bishops to conspire against the states in which they live for the sake of protecting a few disgusting perverts? Is paedophilia less sinful than homosexuality to him? posted by fatpie42 |
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Knn said: "But only about priests having sex with 17eens and below and priests with animals." 15 and below would be paedophilia. Both paedophilia and zoophilia are illegal in my country. Why should Roman Catholic preists be above the law, knn? posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: 15 and below would be paedophilia. 1) Not true. Only in some countries. Please read IMO → Age of consent: Is 18 too old? 11 and below is pedophilia. Only in some countries persons aged 15 are considered children. They are "adolescent" and no kids anymore. For example in Canada it's 13 and below. In Spain it's 12 and below. Thus you can only say for sure that 11 and below is forbidden. However that topic is discussed there. fatpie42: He is asking bishops to conspire against the states No, he is asking to resolve the issue in peace BEFORE contacting the authorities. posted by knn |
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I was considering how things work in MY country. Hence the words "in my country". In my country 15 and below would be paedophilia. Both paedophilia and zoophilia are illegal in my country. If a bishop in my country hesitated in reporting them to the authorities in my country, what would be the point? Why would it matter whether they told the vatican before or after reporting to the authorities UNLESS the Church in Rome had plans that they might, in certain situations, take the law into their own hands? If they did decide to give the preist some alternative punishment then (i) it would be vigilanteism and (ii) it would be conspiring to evade the state's own justice system. There is NO justification! posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: If a bishop in my country hesitated in reporting them to the authorities in my country, what would be the point? Is "hesitating to report zoophilia" a crime? Not necessarily. You see, Ratzinger's letter was maybe accompanied by another rule saying "Whatever you do, don't break the law". I think it's OK for any group to try resolve promblems first amongst them. Ratzinger's letter was a letter to ALL countries of the world and thus is a general rule. Thus it's unfair we citicize Ratzinger while the full picture is unclear. posted by knn |
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knn: Is "hesitating to report zoophilia" a crime? Not necessarily. Depends how long they hesitate. But why should they report to the vatican first? Why couldn't they report it to the police and THEN contact the vatican? What difference would it make to vatican unless the vatican might suggest that they DON'T report the crime? Don't break the law until we tell you to. Very devout! *spits* posted by fatpie42 |
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 fatpie42: Depends how long they hesitate. But why should they report to the vatican first? Why couldn't they report it to the police and THEN contact the vatican? You seem to assume that zoophilia is a crime. It's NOT. Only in some countries. And I am sure priests have to keep the law in first place. Thus every order a la: "Inform the vatican first" is in reality "First of all Keep The Law. Second of all inform the Vatican". And unless you show me that there is an order like "You can break the law" or "Vatican law is higher than local law" then I have to assume that priests have to keep the law in the first place. posted by knn |
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knn: You seem to assume that zoophilia is a crime. It's NOT. Yes it is. In my country it's illegal. Just because some other countries don't give a damn does not make it legal in my country. knn: And I am sure priests have to keep the law in first place. Thus every order a la: "Inform the vatican first" is in reality "First of all Keep The Law. Second of all inform the Vatican".
And unless you show me that there is an order like "You can break the law" or "Vatican law is higher than local law" then I have to assume that priests have to keep the law in the first place. Tiefling: In that letter he stated that all cases concerning priests molesting children should be "kept in secret" and tells bishops not to inform the authorities, because these are affairs that only the Catholic church should resolve. Knn I cannot see how keeping child molestation "in secret" could ever be legal, so there's your example of how the vatican thinks its demands are above the law of other countries. posted by fatpie42 |
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fatpie42: Knn I cannot see how keeping child molestation "in secret" could ever be legal, so there's your example of how the vatican thinks its demands are above the law of other countries. Brilliantly put. posted by Echelon |
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