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I found this on Maxim Online; it's a bunch of short biographies of Americans who did heroic things but never got recognition for them or were treated poorly afterward. I picked out a few that really stood out to me. (One thing I found ironic: the article doesn't have a byline, so the writer is unknown! Max Cleland
No one is above reproach. While Max Cleland’s record as a senator was certainly open to question, his bravery would seem indisputable given that he went to Vietnam with four limbs and came back with one. Wrong! During the 2002 campaign, opponent Saxby Chambliss ran ads featuring pictures of Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and Cleland as the narration declared, “Max Cleland says he has the courage to lead” and then explained why he did not. Today Chambliss (who courageously avoided serving in Vietnam himself) not only has all his appendages, but also Cleland’s Senate chair. 761st Tank Battalion Like the Japanese-American 442nd Infantry “Nisei” unit, this black segment of General Patton’s Third Army displayed extraordinary courage. Unlike the decorated 442nd, they were almost forgotten. At times used as little more than cannon fodder (yep, just like South Park’s Operation Get-Behind-the-Darkies), they still liberated Dachau and Buchenwald. In 1985 some recognition finally came after a Holocaust survivor wrote to The New York Times about them. Richard Jewell What do you call a man who saves dozens of innocent people from exploding? If you’re an FBI agent, the prime suspect. Richard Jewell, a security guard at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, spotted a suspicious bag and cleared the area, limiting deaths from the bomb to one. The FBI rewarded him by leaking that he was a suspect, subjecting him to 88 days of worldwide humiliation (they even revealed he lived with his mom). That’ll teach him to be heroic. George Rogers Clark George Rogers Clark believed so deeply in independence from jolly old England that he not only served as a general but mortgaged his own property to support his soldiers himself. His faith was justified, as we won the war and the Virginia legislature repaid Clark for his services. How did they repay him? With a sword… and a secondhand one at that (they described it as “but little used”). Clark soon lost his home and his land, but at least he had a souvenir. Charles Drew A black man born in 1904 wasn't a promising pick to head the first American Red Cross Blood Bank, yet that's what Charles Drew did (he also invented a plasma preservation process that continues to save lives). His job ended when he argued the military's classification of blood by race was, scientifically speaking, retarded. In 1977 the Red Cross had a party and named its headquarters the Charles R. Drew Blood Center. He didn't attend, having died in 1950. John O’Neill John O’Neill needed to relax. During his time heading the FBI’s counterterrorism efforts, he annoyed his superiors with his fixation on Al Qaeda. When O’Neill left in 2001, they were glad to see him go. So was Al Qaeda. In a bitterly ironic twist, O’Neill wound up heading security at the World Trade Center. On the night of 9/10, he said he thought something big was going to happen on the terrorism front. Hours later it did, killing O’Neill along with nearly 3,000 others. posted by holy_of_holies |
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| in-my-opinion.orgMiscAnything that doesn't fit in any other categoryHeroes Who Never Got a Parade |
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Apparently, O'Neill was in the North tower of the World Trade Center when the plane hit it, and made it outside, in the meantime making a couple of phone calls. Once outside, he met up with an old friend from the FBI and asked him if it was true the Pentagon had been hit. Then without giving a reason, he turned around and headed back into the building ...a few minutes before it collapsed and killed him. Incredible story, I just ordered a biography of O'Neill. [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by holy_of_holies |
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holy_of_holies: Then without giving a reason, he turned around and headed back into the building ...a few minutes before it collapsed and killed him. How does that make him a hero? Maybe he wanted to rush back to destroy some evidence (for whatever). Maybe I am oldfashioned here. But how does DYING make you a hero? LIVING exemplarily may make you one. But everyone can die. This is also typical for Foxnews propaganda: Every dead soldier is a hero. posted by knn |
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knn: holy_of_holies: Then without giving a reason, he turned around and headed back into the building ...a few minutes before it collapsed and killed him. How does that make him a hero? Doesn't. But if you had read the PBS page, you would know that he was almost certainly the one person in the USA who had grasped the potential threat posed by al Qaeda before 9/11, and he worked so hard to inform the Clinton and Bush governments that he stepped on toes, there was a backlash, and he was forced out of the FBI. So I kind of see that as evidence that he was willing to stand up to the American people and government while at the same time defending them from harm - and then putting himself in harm's way at the WTC when his hunch was that terrorists were going to try to "finish the job". That right there is a classic American formulation for heroism. You may not be impressed - hell I don't even know if I'm that impressed - but don't doubt that the most Americans see that kind of role as a heroic one. knn: Maybe he wanted to rush back to destroy some evidence (for whatever). Why would a private security director be involved in evidence for any reason? He wasn't an FBI agent on 9/11. And why would he need any evidence of anything? Someone just flew a plane into his office! knn: Maybe I am oldfashioned here. But how does DYING make you a hero? LIVING exemplarily may make you one. But everyone can die. Like I said, it may be hard to understand, but Americans tend to see the deaths of brilliant or charismatic people at the hands of "the system" as heroic. That's a cultural trope ♣. knn: This is also typical for Foxnews propaganda: Every dead soldier is a hero. News Flash : It's not just Fox News that pulls that stunt; every country that has ever tried to conquer the world has used that one. What do you expect? We live under a messianic tyrant who happens to have been elected to his position by a majority of the US public. Of course you're going to see that kind of propaganda. posted by holy_of_holies |
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holy_of_holies: But if you had read the PBS page, you would know that he was almost certainly the one person in the USA who had grasped the potential threat posed by al Qaeda before 9/11, and he worked so hard to inform the Clinton and Bush governments Wait-a-sec: His job at the FBI was to inform the government about terrorists. And now he becomes a hero because he did just that? How the hell does that make you a hero? holy_of_holies: Why would a private security director be involved in evidence for any reason? He wasn't an FBI agent on 9/11. Well, that's what I am saying. We have no clue why he ran back. May be somthing heroic, may be something evil. holy_of_holies: Like I said, it may be hard to understand, but Americans tend to see the deaths of brilliant or charismatic people at the hands of "the system" as heroic. Hey, like in communism. holy_of_holies: News Flash : It's not just Fox News that pulls that stunt; every country that has ever tried to conquer the world has used that one. What do you expect? From Foxnews I expect that kind of patriotism. But not from you. posted by knn |
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Let me also add another question: Can you be a hero if you don't succeed a tiny bit? How can John O'Neill be a hero when he utterly failed? Oh, now "try+die" defines a hero? posted by knn |
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knn: holy_of_holies: But if you had read the PBS page, you would know that he was almost certainly the one person in the USA who had grasped the potential threat posed by al Qaeda before 9/11, and he worked so hard to inform the Clinton and Bush governments Wait-a-sec: His job at the FBI was to inform the government about terrorists. And now he becomes a hero because he did just that? How the hell does that make you a hero? No, his job was to be a bureacratic spook and not rock the boat, while glamorously busting up "pizza connection" mafia wannabe's. Despite what you see on The X-Files , the FBI are mostly useless, faceless twerps whose biggest fear is offending their superiors in the bureau. This was not the case with this agent in particular. knn: holy_of_holies: Why would a private security director be involved in evidence for any reason? He wasn't an FBI agent on 9/11. Well, that's what I am saying. We have no clue why he ran back. Yes we do. He was head of security and someone had just flown a plane into his building. knn: holy_of_holies: Like I said, it may be hard to understand, but Americans tend to see the deaths of brilliant or charismatic people at the hands of "the system" as heroic. Hey, like in communism. Or In this particular case (O'Neill), he was saying that for citizens of the most powerful country in the world, Americans are suprisingly vulnerable to even the most unskilled enemies, and when he was saying it very few Americans even in government were aware of this. And essentially what happened during that era is that in every way that mattered regarding security, the USA was crippled by a culture of incompetence: the military, federal law enforcement, intelligence, etc. That's what set the stage for the supreme incompetence of the Bush administration, 9/11, and Iraq. O'Neill was kind of a whistleblower for that, and he was forced out because of it. posted by holy_of_holies |
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knn: Let me also add another question: Can you be a hero if you don't succeed a tiny bit?
How can John O'Neill be a hero when he utterly failed? Oh, now "try+die" defines a hero? Two things: one is the idea of the "lost cause" which many Americans find appealing. For instance, where I live, in the south, the people most often associated with the lost cause are Confederate (southern) Civil War military heroes: Robert E. Lee ♣, Nathan Bedford Forrest ♣, Stonewall Jackson ♣. This probably has a lot to do with the fact that Americans in the beginning of the nation were united only by a cause, independence. Then when the Confederates wanted to establish their independence from the US, the Union government said, "No, we're going to stop you from doing that." And then of course the south was defeated and largely destroyed, so that cause was lost. Doesn't stop people from identifying themselves with it, though, because the cause itself never went away. Second thing is I don't think O'Neill utterly failed. If you remember during the 9/11 hearings, there was a guy named Richard Clarke - who was one of O'Neill's superiors in counterterrorism - who testified and blamed a lot on the administrations he worked under: Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush. A lot of people were critical of him, but he still made an impact. I generally tend to believe that that kind of thinking originated with O'Neill's life. Even though he never publicly said this, the idea is that the US government is largely to blame for the danger of terrorism to Americans, not because of any perceived offense to other countries, but because so little was done to disrupt the terror networks when they were forming. posted by holy_of_holies |
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holy_of_holies: Second thing is I don't think O'Neill utterly failed. If you remember during the 9/11 hearings, there was a guy named Richard Clarke - who was one of O'Neill's superiors in counterterrorism - who testified and blamed a lot on the administrations he worked under What does Dick Clarke's testomony have to do with O'Neill? You didn't disprove that O'Neill failed utterly. posted by knn |
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knn: What does Dick Clarke's testomony have to do with O'Neill? You didn't disprove that O'Neill failed utterly. holy_of_holies: Even though he never publicly said this, the idea is that the US government is largely to blame for the danger of terrorism to Americans, not because of any perceived offense to other countries, but because so little was done to disrupt the terror networks when they were forming. I think hoh is saying that...O'Neill further proved the incompetence of US government in security. posted by sangu |
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Patrick Fitzgerald's official biography says he was named special counsel in December 2003 to investigate "the alleged disclosure of the identity of a purported employee of the
Central Intelligence Agency." That bland description understates the drama and stakes of the investigation. New York Times reporter Judith Miller was jailed for refusing to testify. The inquiry led to interviews of President Bush and Vice President Cheney and to grand jury subpoenas for White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove, Cheney's chief of staff I. Lewis Libby and at least a dozen other officials. Fitzgerald is to meet with Miller today to discuss newly discovered notes on her conversations with Libby. Rove will testify this week before the grand jury for a fourth time. Fitzgerald wants to know who leaked the identity of Valerie Plame to reporters. Her husband, former diplomat Joseph Wilson, says her cover was blown in retaliation for an op-ed article he wrote in 2003 that accused Bush of "twisting" intelligence to justify the Iraq war. [...] Patrick Fitzgerald, 44, was born in Brooklyn. His Irish immigrant father, Patrick Sr., worked as a doorman at a building in Manhattan's Upper East Side. Fitzgerald went to Regis High School, a Jesuit preparatory school, then worked on its maintenance crew to pay his way through Amherst College. He majored in math and economics, then went to Harvard Law School. He worked in a New York law firm before joining the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan in 1988. He stayed for 13 years, convicting Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and indicting bin Laden in a conspiracy that included the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. In Chicago, Fitzgerald has indicted two aides to Mayor Richard Daley on mail-fraud charges after an investigation into bribery and hiring abuses. Ryan is on trial on charges of racketeering conspiracy, mail and tax fraud and false statements during his terms as governor and Illinois secretary of State. Dick Simpson, a former Chicago alderman who teaches political science at the University of Illinois-Chicago, says Fitzgerald is "almost universally admired ... for telling the truth and prosecuting these cases." He isn't suspected of political motives, Simpson says, because he came to Chicago with no ties to its top politicians and keeps a low profile. "He's doesn't do lunches at the important clubs or make rah-rah speeches," Simpson says. Even lawyers who question Fitzgerald's tactics say they don't doubt his character. "Pat is driven by iron-tight integrity and a tireless work ethic," Mendeloff says. Safer, who also once worked in the U.S. attorney's office, faults Fitzgerald for "trying to expand the reach of the mail fraud statutes in ways that are unprecedented" in his government corruption cases. Some errors by politicians, Safer says, "are punishable at the ballot box and not in criminal court." He says Fitzgerald "is impervious to political pressure. ... I've seen no evidence that he has anything but the purest motives." White says it's unfair to suggest that Fitzgerald is too aggressive. "He's going to pursue matters ... with dedication and thoroughness," she says, "but overzealous? Certainly not." Miguel Estrada, who worked with Fitzgerald in New York and represents Time reporter Matthew Cooper in the leak inquiry, says Fitzgerald, who is single and a workaholic, is "the picture of what the public would think is an earnest prosecutor. He's a boy scout." Chuck Rosenberg, a Fitzgerald friend who is U.S. attorney in Houston, was asked recently why Fitzgerald is going after reporters. "I said to them, 'Pat isn't going after journalists, he is after the truth,' " Rosenberg says. "He's exactly the kind of person you'd want doing something like this." [CLICK HERE TO VIEW THIS PICTURE] posted by holy_of_holies |
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I was just thinking about this guy Fitzgerald...what he is doing is so important, because the US Government has managed to make all these deadly personal enemies now (al Qaeda, organized crime, etc.), that leaking the name of someone even associated with the government is dangerous. But somebody in the Bush Admnistration leaked the name of a CIA covert operative! Do you know how hated the CIA is by a lot of people out there? Or think about this: what if someone in government decided they wanted a regular person, like you or me, eliminated for whatever reason. They've got all these enemies who want them dead, and all they have to do is leak your name or my name, and have the leaker say, "I joined the CIA to be the good cop, but holy_of_holies, he's one of us too, and he's the bad cop, he hates your people, know what I mean?" That's a death warrant right there, because there's no way to prove you're not an operative. It's not like the CIA wear uniforms or something, so they could be anybody. That's why it's so dangerous to have covert operatives in the first place, but to leak the name of one of your operatives? Pure villainy. I hope they lock up whoever leaked that name for good. The Bush administration is the most crooked and corrupt in American history. posted by holy_of_holies |
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The time now is 12 October 2008, 11:45 php B.B. |